Speaker 1: Hello? Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to another CHBMP space. Good to see you on, Miriam. How are you doing tonight? Speaker 3: Hey, Miriam. Can you hear me? Speaker 4: I sure can. Speaker 2: Good. Good. How are you doing? Speaker 4: Oh, doing well. Can't believe we are let's see. Today's what? The twenty first? Four days. So three days from Christmas Eve and four days from Christmas Day. Crazy. Speaker 2: It is. This month has just flown by, hasn't it? Yes. It has. This entire year, honestly, it went by so fast. I can't believe 2024 is nearly behind us. Speaker 4: I can't believe it either. It seemed time seems to be accelerating. I think maybe it's the extremely crazy pace of everything that's happening in the world, and it's just driving time into overdrive or at least my perception of it. Speaker 2: That that certainly could be. Good to see you on, Gail. How are you doing tonight? Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Did somebody say we're only a couple days away from or a few days away from Christmas? Yikes. Speaker 2: I know. Yikes indeed. Speaker 3: When did how did the how the hell did that happen? Like, like, whoo. Speaker 4: I know. It's absolutely crazy how it's flying by. Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, didn't we just have Thanksgiving? Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that was maybe two days ago. Speaker 3: Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Everybody's getting money for Christmas. No. I'm just kidding. Speaker 5: I don't have any money. No. I just Speaker 4: I think I think my boys are gonna wish that they just got money for Christmas because I bought them one of those things that they're like, no, mom. You're not going to make us wear that, are you? Speaker 1: No. You don't make them wear matching outfits now, do you? Speaker 4: No. I found some rather humiliating fuzzy socks that, say best sons ever, and they're going to have to have pictures with it with their feet up so I can post it online and humiliate them. Speaker 1: Cute. Speaker 4: Well, that's what moms are for, right, to do those crazy things and make you do those crazy things? Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I like the the the grandkids. The littles are relatively still inexpensive. Right? Little kids, you get them. So so I have this thing with the grandkids. They get something they want, something they need, something to wear, and something to read. Nice. Yeah. So they give me but only because I'm Santa Nana, sometimes I go too far, and it's like three something to wear, three something you want, three but I'm doing a lot better. Speaker 4: I don't think it's possible for nonnas to go too far. I think that's the rules of the game, don't you? Speaker 3: Yeah. One time like, I when I just had one grandkid when my grandson, who's 16 now, when he was two, he had this huge like, I just, like, overbought. I it, like and, like, he literally in the middle of open he opened up half of his presents, and then he laid down on the floor. He was like, I can't do it anymore, nana. Speaker 2: That's so cute. That's adorable. Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Speaker 3: And then This is too much work. He was like, he was so tired. He was so tired. And, but god bless him. He kept going. I was like, no. You're gonna open all those. No. Speaker 2: Flash forward twenty years when he has to be wrapping them all, then he'll know what fire it is. I hope you have that on video because that has gotta be a prize winner. Speaker 3: Right. And then yeah. Right. The the absolute wrap. So this year, like, every I'm the worst. So I'm the world's worst rapper. And my my mother was a crappy present rapper, and so I come by it. You know? I don't know. There's some kind of competition in our family, in my side of the family, where we must compete over who can wrap the crappiest. And so so it's a big joke. And so I get I'm like the person gift bags were invented for, but yet I I always wanna tempt fate and wrap the presents. And so they're all but I've wrapped I used some gift bags this year. My sister brings me over. She brought me over some a bunch of gift bags, and she's like and some tissue paper or some Christmas Eve tissue paper. She's like, you might wanna try to use these this year. And then some wrapping paper. She did that the other day because she knows notoriously I'm I wait until the last I'm I wait till the last minute, and then I'm like, oh my gosh. I got three days till Christmas. I gotta go get wrapping paper and wrap all these presents, and then I'm, you know, frantic about it. But they are under the tree. I was very, measured. My 16 year old grandson, he's getting money because nothing I ever get him is like, the thing the things he wants are expensive, and I don't know if these are things he would really purchase with his own money. If he had money in his pocket, I don't know that those are things that he would purchase. So I'd rather just give him the money, then he can spend it wherever he wants, and he will like that. He doesn't otherwise, he would never like anything I picked. Speaker 2: Yep. Once they get that old, that's just the way, isn't it? Speaker 3: Yeah. It is. Right. And so but the girls, Naomi, she's only 11. There there's a lot of things. I mean, she she she luckily wants a lot of things from our shop. Take a stand. Not to plug my shop, but I'm going to take a stand merch.net. She wants some of the Trump stuff. She wants, one of the I'm a Trump girl deal with it shirts, or get something like that. So I'm gonna make her one. Or when I say I'm gonna make her one, I'm I literally mean Huckleberry is gonna make her one, her pop up because I don't make I don't make the shirts. He does. If I made the shirts, they'd be a mess. He makes everything. So yep. Speaker 2: And you have tumblers now at takeastandmerch.net. Speaker 3: Yep. Tumblers. I'm fixing to be lot launching hats. I've been doing some research on, you know, what type of hats sell the best. And but the tumblers are great. People love the tumblers. We've gotten a lot of orders for the tumblers, especially the Christian ones. There's a man of god one out there that people really liked. There's a lot of Christian ones and Trump ones and, Christmas the Christmas ones, I I think are the I like the three d tumblers are really cool. Like so he's done quite a few of those, and I he he did some he did some ones for the Catholic craft fairs that we did that I gotta get out there. They look like votive candles. It's his design. Then there's some there's some ones with scripture out there. There's Patriot ones. There's military ones. There's funny ones, dog lovers, cat lovers. I don't know I don't know who's a cat lover. No. I'm just kidding, guys. Talk versus cat. I see I see Mick Me Out out there. So I know. I like I have friend some of my best friends are cat lovers. So yeah. And No accounting for taste. Right. No. I'm just kidding. Oh, it's terrible. But so yeah. So we, we got some new shirts out there. I'm put oh, I'm I'm gonna be putting out a lot of hoodies, sweatshirts, and then we'll be gearing up tank tops for the spring. So we got gift cards. Gift cards now are out there. Speaker 2: People can go to buy gift for someone you don't know exactly what to get them. Let them pick it out themselves. Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's their electronic gift card. So you just fill it out, pay for it, and then the person gets an email with the gift card. Yeah. So so we've also been busy that way. You know, between work and the businesses, we've got a couple businesses. We have a Texas based firearms and ammo business too. So but we're careful to ask which is the most lucrative of this? Ironically, the the T shirts, tumblers, and the the merch. Speaker 2: Really? Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know why? Because it's hard it's hard well, right now, it's super hard to do business in this administration when there's a lot of thing well, there's a lot of things we we won't do because it it just invites too much overreach. So the so we try to so our area of operation is limited. And so, yeah, so we, guns and ammo are well, and the beginning so couple years ago no. It was, like, right after the Biden administration, took over, there was, like, a a four month period of time where you couldn't make ammo unless it was for the government. Speaker 4: What? Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Everybody got a memo, and you you had to, and so and that that also that also had a lot to do with the the supplies to make ammo were very short in in supply because of the government overreach, and then it loosened up a little bit. And but then once it loosened up, the supplies were more expensive. And so and then all these all these laws went into effect if you so, like, there's certain states you can't ship to, and the shipping became all complicated. So we just said, okay. We're only gonna do things in Texas right now. And we'll see we'll see when it we'll see how the the there's there's a lot of government overreach in this stuff. And so it's we've actually we actually thought about getting out of that business, but then we're like, no. Let's just let it ride and see how you know, see if Trump wins, see if things if government gets smaller. But if government keeps growing, I don't really know how we stay in that business. Yes. We have that business, and we're toying with opening up another third business. Speaker 2: That is so by design, though, ensuring that it's, you know, more expensive to maintain the business than to not, and then then they have less people having guns. And that's very much by design. Speaker 3: Right. Exactly. And quite honestly, like, we're we've really just kinda let it ride. It's either way, it's so either way, it's a tax write off for us. Right? So we let it we just let it go from you know? I mean, we do a small amount of business and write off the rest, and we'll do that for a little while. We can we can hold out. We're not, like, we're not, like, looking for that business to sustain us or anything. Speaker 2: And then over the next few years, hopefully, the regulations and all of that will will go quietly into the good night, and you can resume doing your thing. Speaker 3: Right. Exactly. And then, you know, we're looking at, you know, in the future, Not right now, but in a few years' time, we would love to buy some land and open up a outdoor range where where we might even have a place for competition shooters to practice and things like that, but mostly a tactical range that's outdoors. Because, you know, a lot of people buy guns. They want guns, they buy guns, and they don't know how to use the gun. And it does you no good if you don't know how to use the gun. Like, in a in a practical way, going to a range and shooting is one thing. Somebody breaking into your house and knowing what to do is complete another thing. So, I mean and I don't know if anybody's ever done the tactical, the tactical range type scenarios, the scenario shooting, but I'm a pretty good shot. And I'd be dead 10 times over the first time I did it. You know, I didn't see one person in the corner. I didn't see, like I mean, there's so much shit I didn't see. Yeah. So I would have been Speaker 2: dead. Wow. Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it's harder than you think. Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Especially when the adrenaline's pumping much quicker. You that's why you need to practice so much, especially scenarios for your own home because you need to have a clear mind if something happens. Speaker 3: Yep. And you can't be fiddling with if you can't, like, a gun may look cool, but it might not be for you. Like, I mean, I can't tell you over time, so I'm on a I'm on a meeting and Huckleberry will be he'll be working on something. He, you know, he always works on trying to find the perfect type of of gun for women in particular because we have trouble rocking the slide, especially if you got nails or whatever. But he'll come in here and be like, rock that slide. I'll be like, hey. Let me turn off my camera. And then if I can rack if I can rack it, anyone can rack it. Right? So Speaker 4: So it's a classic military guy. That's what my husband did with me too. I was his test subject. Yep. Speaker 3: And so yeah. So yeah. So that's I don't know how we got on that, but that's so that yeah. So that's kind of our what's been going on with us. Speaker 2: I'm really hoping that the dodge, the dodge campaign Doge sorry. The Doge campaign, you know, results in smaller, more limited government and less less overreach that's hindering people from just doing their basic things. Speaker 4: Yeah. Me too. Me too. So far, it was pretty impressive with the first CR that got shot down real quickly from 1,547 pages. So I was impressed with Speaker 2: the the campaign. Yeah. They somehow still managed to re redefine criminal as justice involved individuals, Speaker 4: so I don't know how that made it through. Exactly. Yeah. And I I That's so sad. Are we still up in air on the on the, third version? I haven't been able to look at that today. Speaker 2: All I know is both sides are hailing it as a victory. So, Democrats are applauding passing the bill, and Republicans are saying, look. We got this. We got it passed, and we didn't get the, you know, the eight pounds of paper version. Oh, boy. So so both want to hail it as a victory. And, you know, when that happens, literally nobody won. It's literally not good when that happens. Yes. Speaker 3: And y'all know how I feel. I don't think they should pass anything that has any extras in it. I think they should just let the government shut down. I a lot of us have gotten rid of the frills cable, whatever, which which that's a good thing. If you got rid of cable, yay for you, because you should've got rid of it just because it's trash. But, but there's a lot of things that we got rid of in order to be able to afford. Like, the average citizen, we can't vote ourselves a raise just because the government made things more expensive. So we had to get rid of frills, and so should the government. Shut it down. There's no no we should not have non essentials nonessential Speaker 2: anything right now. No. We don't need five different agencies devoted to making sure that, preadolescents can have access to constricting clothing so they don't, you know, show their Right. Actual biological sex. It's ridiculous. Government shouldn't be doing any of that, and government should not be, after what we've endured the last five years, be investing in more bio labs all across the country. Like, that they're doing that is so obscene and so heinous, and I can't believe every single person in the world isn't up in arms about it. Speaker 3: I know. Okay. Right? Amen. Speaker 2: We need more gain of function research to keep us safe. Really? Does anyone believe that? Speaker 4: Yeah. Right. After the last four years. Sure. Speaker 3: That's so sad. Speaker 2: The mad science really must stop. Speaker 3: And we're paying for it. That's a sad thing. Right? Like, we're paying we're, like, funding our own demise. Yep. We should change the spaces to crimes against humanity overall by our government. Yes. Actually, we we let them do it, though. We gave them permission when we keep voting them in. Yeah. Speaker 2: That's the thing people don't realize. Like, we we take responsibility for what they're doing. Everybody feels like, oh, our our elected representatives have have failed us. But if we don't hold them to account, then we've really failed ourselves. Speaker 3: Yes. We have to hold them. We have to hold them to account. We we have to I mean, I don't even I'm not sure how many people call their representatives, but we we need to be calling them. I mean, my representative voted against it. Yep. I But he he hears from us all the time. Speaker 4: Yeah. The problem is when you have a representative in the senate like I do in Kentucky, Mitch McConnell, I wrote him a a scathing letter about what he did with John Thune, and he could care less. Speaker 3: Yeah. I know. But you know what? If if a thousand people called his office, that would get that would get his attention. It always it always does. They can't they can't help but let it affect them when the numb when pure numbers but but we have to we have to come at it in in large numbers. Like, we we try to get people when when Speaker 4: There's the robe is getting the large numbers. Yeah. Because you can make it super easy for people. I actually posted my own letter and said, hey. Yeah. You know, here's the link. All you gotta do is copy paste, and the email and the phone number is right at this link and, you know, just very little response. Very sad. Speaker 3: Yeah. But, I mean, large numbers will do it. That's what we've learned. So but it has to be large numbers. And if if the other side of an issue can get 5,000 people to call and we don't call, shame on us. Right? So, yeah, so I guess we should start our spaces. Speaker 2: Yeah. I pinned the the rules. So anyone who is new, please review the the guidelines in the next for, just a basic basic how we run our spaces. So, you know, x gives every group their own, you know, you run your space how you want, and we have kind of a novel approach to raising hands and stuff. So review that, Gail. If you wanna go over it, you can, but you don't need to. No. We'll just let people read. I'm assuming everybody that is on the spaces can read. Speaker 3: So maybe, maybe not. But if they can't, just ask and ask and we'll read it to you. But, I mean, it's the basics. Right? Just it's really about respect and trolls. We don't really put up with trolls. Sometimes we let them speak. So if I'm in a feisty mood I'm just kidding. As you guys know no. But, usually, we don't put up with with trolls because this is a space for, victims of crimes against humanity, and that's really no trolling matter. We, and especially this time of year, I there's a lot of people that are suffering, and I see it on in the Facebook groups and on other social media platforms and on on x with people whose whose loved ones were killed. The as you know from when we read the names later on in the night, which we'll be doing, there were a lot of people that were killed in, 2021 between October and, October 2021 and, like, February 2022, huge amount of pea large amount of people. That was the that was the dark winter, the winter of the unvaccinated, the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Speaker 2: The winter dark winter of suffering and death. Speaker 3: Yeah. And and they they did everything that they could. The government did everything they could to make it so, and and they did it intentionally and cruelly. And so many people are suffering right now. They're without their loved ones. They're sad. Christmas will never be the same for them. And, and quite honestly, we're just not gonna put up with people people adding to that hurt. I'm not I mean, like, I'll curb stomp somebody before that. So we're not gonna we're not gonna do it. These people we we know their loved ones were murdered. They know their loved ones were murdered. People who are survivors like me know what happened on the inside of these hospitals. It was murder. I hear nurses and doctors and all sorts of people who don't know what they're talking about talk about statistics and blah blah blah and this and this paper and that paper. I don't really care what a paper says. When we've got eyewitnesses to things that really happen across the nation in every hospital, it was murder, plain, and simple, and it was intentional. I lived it. And Speaker 2: You lived it, and we have almost a over a thousand stories submitted to our our project. Yep. Over 1,200, actually. Exact same things. Speaker 3: Yeah. Over 1,200. And and I think there's, like, 860 or almost 900 did their interviews already. And and that's just the ones that that put their that submitted their stories to us. There's people who are too afraid to submit their stories, but are in these, you know, like, c 19 widows and widowers who want justice Facebook group. They're I think they have a Twitter group too, but, I know they have a Facebook group. There's, like, almost I think there's almost 3,000 people in that group now. And, I I mean and there's other ones too that I I'm in that I and I hear we hear from people all the time. We hear from from people on Twitter. They haven't submitted their story yet, but they've got a story. So you you just I mean, it's incredible that so all of these people experience the same things. That's why we have the 25 commonalities. That's not by accident that they experience the same thing in 50 states. And now we as we know in other countries in the Western world too, It was planned. It was coordinated. It was murder. And any nurse who or doctor who was working on the COVID floors who says otherwise is just gaslighting us Speaker 2: at this point. And they're doing this they're doing this basically to eradicate our entire way of life. They think that that Western values have been, you know, proved wrong. China won. China's free version of freedom is the the correct version of freedom, and they want to eradicate our our sovereignty and our rights. Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly. And, that's for me, that's not happening without a fight. Right? I don't know about y'all, but Speaker 2: For everyone in this space at least. And and I think millions more. Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly I'm not I'm not gonna waltz into communism. I don't even think they'll be able to drag me kicking and screaming. I because I always say it, and I mean it. I we we all need to get better at suffering so that when it comes time for us to have moral courage, we can walk the talk. Right? And if that means, like, I'll I say it all the time. I'll die on my feet before I live on my knees. Even for free stuff and conveniences? Especially for free stuff and conveniences. I I I am a I am anti free stuff and conveniences. No. We gotta be tough. We gotta be, you know, if if if a gift comes from somebody who loves you or who cares about your well-being, and it's done out of apps but if it comes from the government or somebody who doesn't know you, I'd be very leery. Yeah. Speaker 2: But and it always It's so called free health care or so called health care for all that that's facilitated this with the government incentives for the hospitals. Speaker 3: And everything comes with a price. It comes with a little bit of your freedom, a little bit of your dignity, a little bit of it it's not free. Speaker 4: Right? No free lunches? Speaker 2: If it's free, you are the product. Speaker 4: Right. That's exactly right. Speaker 3: I remember when the first time I I moved to a company or a a company a country I've lived in lots of countries. Many of them had socialism and or so at least state run health care and all this other crap that you think is, you know, free college, all that stuff. And I can remember many eye opening moments when I realized it wasn't what they claimed it to be as I was much younger. Number one, when I got my first paycheck and it and and, like, 48% was taken out for income tax, and a big a big, bunch of it was I I can't remember how much it was, but it was, like, a good 15 or 16% of that was just for the crappy health care that they had. And then the second was when my kid came home crying from school because they told her if she didn't do very well on this test, that she would never be able to she she wouldn't be able to go to college, and she was, like, nine and a half. And I was like, that can't be right. I'm a go talk to your teacher because, like, you're only you're not even 10. Like, you're not even an adult yet. How can they determine you can't go to college? And she and I went to their school and yeah. That's right. If she doesn't do well on the on the 10 plus, she goes to it was some kind of high school where she graduates when she's 16 and learns a trade. And if she does well, she goes to secondary school where she graduates when she's 18, and then she goes on to university. And even then, they had to pay for university. It wasn't free. And And I remember looking at her, and I was like, don't don't you sweat this test because you'll be back in America where you could you can actually screw up in grade school and still go to college. And everybody can go to college for free in in America. There's grants. There's the military. There you know, the GI bill. Alexa. Yep. Lots scholarships. You can work for a company that will put you through school. Like, there's so many ways to go to college in America for free. And unlike socialist countries, everyone can go. So boom. Speaker 8: And the mic drops on the floor. Is that the boom? Bring the boom, baby. Bring the boom. Speaker 3: Bring the boom. Speaker 8: Hey, Mick. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm good. How are you all doing besides, what I'm hearing? And, you know, I I did wanna say about the bill. I pulled it up, and I'm searching through. I can't find, you know, in this 118 pages, I can't find where they talk specifically about all of the egregious, COVID cartel policies. And, yeah. So but now I'm going through because I just you know, I was doing it the, the lazy woman way. You know, control f. And so it's not pulling up anything. I mean, I'm I'm putting in the words, but so now I'm going through because somebody said that, they left a lot of that stuff in there, and I'm just like, are are you sure? Because so now I wanna make absolutely sure because I I I I our voices, if they weren't loud enough and clear enough, hang hang tight. January 21, if, you know, I mean, and then they can do a lot of damage. In thirty days, we see what they're doing selling off the border while the, you know, the, well, I don't know what to call it now because, you know, they're they're all they're all hyped out. Right? I mean, you know, Biden's sandwich and beer short of a short of a, an ability to to think and, Speaker 3: sort of a pain in there. Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're fully admitting that now. Speaker 8: Yeah. Right. Like, it's like like, it's normal. That's okay. Okay. I get it. You know, Reagan. Okay. But that was, like, way toward the end. You know? That wasn't, like, through his whole entire presidency. Speaker 3: You know? And the and and the first campaign. I mean, he he was always, you know, a little, you know, he'd been he was that way when he was go when he was Speaker 4: running the first time. Yeah. So what's the deal with both of them going back to DC yesterday? Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out too. I saw a lot of, you know, talk about that, but it's it's like I can't, I I don't know that it's I I haven't been able to tell that it's produced anything other than, they came back to Washington DC, but there was a lot of speculation out there about, you know, Kamala stepping in for the last, you know, thirty some days or whatever. You know, all the you know, they have to look like it. They care about, you know, the drone situation or, you know, they have to look in their last couple days, some sort of a pulled together administration, which, you know, too late. So, and then I saw that, Pete, Pete Butt Judge, he, he he his, answer is, now five weeks later, what, throw up some, air traffic controlling, FAA, regulations that drones can't fly. You know? Just that that's it. You're down. You're done. No drones. No drones for you. You know? I'm sorry. What? What? You're more Speaker 4: Yeah. That's gonna that's gonna have a a serious effect on the whole situation. Right? Speaker 8: Right. Right. That that's it. That's the answer. Five weeks later, though, but I think he was probably chest feeding in the swing. So, you know, I mean, you know, I guess they'll cut him some slack for that. But have you noticed that, the whole entire administration is is gone? Nobody's there. They've checked out. I don't know. They're trying to get their CNN jobs. I'm not sure. But, anyhow, I I am searching, and I I can't find anything in there. But, like I said, I'm I'm doing some reading because, I I know that there is, the dam is breaking. I I hear it. I see it. I feel it. But, I heard what you were talking about about businesses. You know, we've we you're right. We have got to be the ones to to dig in and and to do the work. I I think it's fabulous that that Trump is there, but it's gonna be an uphill fight every step of the way. Thank god. Thank god that, you know, we had the Doge Boys step in and be like, excuse me. Excuse me. In what world do you drop a a behemoth, you know, on, you know, Christmas Eve and, you know, twenty four hours? Good luck. We're all counting on you. No. Don't read it. Just pass it. Just give us the money. And and if this administration hadn't called it out, if they hadn't had stepped up and been like, oh, heck to the no, I I would have been like, oh, alright. We're done. You know? But, you know, knowing how serious they are, and I think it's absolutely hysterical to see all the, the leftist be apoplectic. Right? Just go in absolutely crazy about the fact that, you know, Elon Musk dared dared to post it out on his platform x. Anyhow, I'm sorry. I digress. I'm Yeah. I I would circling. Speaker 2: Not at all, Mick. We we love it when you do that. But I was listening to NPR yesterday, and they're they're trying to, you know, make mountains out of molehill hills that Musk was talking about this. Like, he's literally just talking about it. On, like, to say his own platform. And how dare he? How dare he use this bully pulpit that he's carved out of his own, you know, his own money to to spread the word about it. And and what are we gonna do about this these influential Speaker 3: billionaires, blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, like George Soros. Speaker 4: Yeah. Me and my George Soros, Bill Gates. One of with Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, all of them influencing everything for the last four years. Speaker 2: Say nothing about Gates, like, meeting with senators to ensure the Epstein list doesn't come out, but we can't have, this billionaire talking about the the bills they're trying to pass over the. Speaker 3: Right. Talking about fiscal responsibility. Please. But you can have billionaires who are on the Epstein list trying to not get have the Epstein list come out. Yeah. The And where did all that where did that billion Speaker 8: dollars come from, you know, for for ActBlue? You know? I mean, there was a lot of people, and you can't tell me that was all you know? I mean, we we see the we see the smurfing. Speaker 2: You know? I mean, that's the Thanks to James O'Keefe. We we know that they've been laundering money through the accounts of their elderly onetime donors, which is Yep. Should be a scandal, and I'm really hoping the next administration takes them out for that. Because ActBlue should not be doing these things. It's very against the law. Speaker 8: Oh, gosh. Yeah. The guy who was the campaign manager for Herman Cain, back in 2012, He was one of the big ones, too who was coming out, who was talking about the fact that, you know, he made donations. He started noticing they sent him a letter, and he was like, okay. You know, whatever. But then he was like, he was getting letter after letter after letter. I mean, it's like, wait. What? You know? You know? Turns out it was hundreds of thousands of dollars. Speaker 3: And I know there's probably a lot of people going, well, what is this, you know, CR, this spending bill have to do with crimes against humanity COVID related crimes against humanity? Well, one of the things that they tried to sneak in there just to bring it back to the topic at hand was rules around not being able to change the, vaccine schedule. Speaker 2: Yeah. Like And making sure that the vaccine injured have literally no recourse. Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So so, like, they'd sneak all that crap in there. It doesn't have anything in that's why I say shut the shut the government down. Yeah. I mean, it it had nothing to do with passing a budget. It had not first of all, if that was if that was a budget, they need they need to go back to the basic budget one zero one class because that was no budget. Speaker 2: But but, yeah, they should be making policy in the budget. The budget should be for budgeting. Make policy when we do policy things. Right. It was it was the who and UN agenda being funded in our budget is exactly Ding ding ding. Speaker 3: Yeah. And so that that needed that stuff needed to to be and so peep but people didn't like, I don't know how many people really paid attention to so, like, so, like, you may care about a specific issue, like COVID related crimes against humanity, vaccine injury, protocol deaths. You may care about one one issue, but your issue that you care about is affected by many others. Speaker 4: Like, this is a perfect example. This is a perfect example where you have you Speaker 3: I wanna know what kind of snack. Nope. Speaker 11: Oh, I'm sorry. Speaker 3: It's okay. I was trying to guess the sound. Was it Skittles? Speaker 8: I I thought I muted it. It's the power of cheese. Speaker 3: Oh. Oh. After my own heart. Yeah. Exactly. So so, you know, bottom line is everybody should should go out and read what's in it because it'll shock you the number of things that were in it that would affect multiple issues that you care about even though it's a spending bill. It's a CR. So Speaker 8: Well, health is the Trojan horse. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to Yeah. Overtalk you, but that's how they soft pedal it all in. If they can keep that fear going, if they can, you know, keep you, you know, where you're you're you're blocked from from coming into the hospital. What? You're you're Yeah. You know? And and they and they wanna go back to that. You know? Are are what? I I'm grateful. I am extremely grateful because it does. You're right. It all interconnects. And, and that's the gateway that they're using for every issue, every issue, transgenderisms, you know, crimes against humanity. I mean, they are they're linking every single one of them together. We Speaker 3: yeah. We need to we need to play a lot more, chicken. A lot more games of chicken. So when when they say they're gonna shut down the government, we should say, yeah. We're for that. Instead of everybody you know, because then they'd make it sound like it's a bad thing. Right? Like, you know, if they're gonna shut down the government, the Republicans are gonna shut down the government if they don't agree to this. They're gonna they're gonna screw over this group or that group or whatever, but we, the people, need to need to play that game of chicken. Right? Like, it's important it's important for you to contact your representatives even to say, hey. Thanks for standing up against that bill. Like, I'm gonna call my congressman. I'm actually gonna email him or text him, and I'm gonna tell him, hey, Keith. Thanks for not voting for that. I'm for shutting down the government instead of that nonsense. Thanks for standing up. So there weren't many of them, but they need to hear the kudos for doing for taking a courageous stand. And the other ones need to hear, hey. There's more people that want you to take that courageous stand. Because they're sitting there going, okay. People are gonna you know, there's people calling them all day long going, those hurricane victims need that money. Those farmers need that money, but they're not looking at what are all the other stuff that's horrible that's in it. And so it's really important. Like, we need to start being a lot more involved. We need we need to be more verbal. We need to be as as in large groups. Don't just buy the don't just don't just go by the little, you know, the little sound bites that they give you. Right? Like Speaker 4: Yeah. And I don't know if anybody is aware, but they always play games like this. The the Democrats also held a child cancer, study investigation funding, etcetera in March and then stuck it in this one so that the 1,547 page bill so that when it got voted down, if and when it did, they could say, oh, the Republicans killed killed to care for children with cancer. It's all a game with them. They don't care about cancer for children. They don't care about the people in, you know, in in the hurricane victims. It's all a game. It's all leverage, and it's all Speaker 2: And and we don't need a billion dollars of research for cures for cancer because there are cures for cancer. Right. They're they're suppressing those now. So if they would just get out of the way, we could eradicate cancer tomorrow. Absolutely. And Speaker 4: those are all just examples of the fact that we're nothing but chips for them to move around and use as leverage and use as theater to get to get, you know, basically points for themselves for a few select groups. It's all about catering to themselves and to the groups they wanna cater to. Speaker 2: Exactly. And that's what NPR was harping on yesterday too. The, oh, that look. They're they want children to die of cancer. Musk Musk is killing children with cancer was basically their line. Says the people who's ordered the COVID vaxx that killed more kids than you can imagine. Speaker 8: Exactly. And that's why it was 1,549 pages is because they they wanted they, I believe I believe that the Democrats are are interested in in burning it down on the way out the door, and this was their way of being able to they I I, you know, I would even say maybe go so far as to poke the bear or test and see what what would, you know, what would happen on this side. And then they could use it to say, oh, they're shutting it down. They're shutting it down. They had the narrative already going. But I I think we need to, just like you talk about, bring it down to the local level, but I wanna bring it down to those federal people. We need to start primarying the, you know, I know you said you were, you know, gonna say thank you to, your representative. I'm gonna say thank you to the one the one in Oklahoma who said no. Mhmm. And we're the super majority, you know, conservative. Right? Right? We're so red. All 77 counties went for Donald Trump twice. Well, yeah, twice. 2020, 2024. You know? So, you know, I mean, the thing of it is is that the guy who is over the chair of the appropriations committee is our representative, Tom Cole. This guy knew he's the chair of the appropriations committee, and he knew that they were not doing appropriation bills and hadn't passed one or even bothered to, you know, sketch one out on a napkin for the for the last two years, but he said nothing. Then this bombshell comes. Well, you know what? I mean, I think it's time to start primary parties. You know? Speaker 4: You know? And and I I think we need to start looking now to say, look. In in two years or whatever people are gonna forget, I'll I'll land the plane. I will give you Well, and I'll tell you that ours are not Iowa that it's been case somebody noticed. I'll give you an example from Iowa. Sometimes you don't even have to primary them. Sometimes you just have to have a high profile figure like Steve Deese Deese who says, hey, Joni Ernst. You keep you keep you and, Lindsey Graham who are trying to torpedo speed headsets, nomination and and confirmation. I'm just gonna run and take your seat. And you know what she did? She backpedaled like crazy. Started backpedaled Yeah. The threat of it. And so that's exactly what we got. You know, we've gotta find high profile people who say, you know, no. Nope. You do this. You keep acting this way, and we will put up a candidate that will take your seat. Speaker 3: Because they are literally only afraid of the people who can raise the money to defeat them. And and and and to be to be honest, our, so our our representative, Keith Self, he is a result of primary somebody. So he was a he was a candidate that primary somebody we had the hardest time getting out. It was Van Taylor. And, Van Taylor, somehow, well, we found out why he was compromised because he had an ISIS lover, and Nope. They set him up. They set him up. And so it came out, like, right before the runoff, and he ended up dropping out. But people people were still, you know, incumbent friendly. I don't know that Keith would have won if the Blaze had not it wasn't the Blaze or it might have been, the war room outed, Van Taylor for having this Yeah. This, this ISIS lover that he was asking for a rim job or something. I had to and look at listen. I had to ask one of my friends what rim job was. You don't want it, man. You don't want it. I I found out, and I was like, that is disgusting. But I thought it would have been more of a, you know, different kind of scandal, but he the first when he first went to Washington, he was real strong, and we liked him. And then, the second then the second time, he's he would vote with the Democrats when they really needed him to. And, you know, I I can remember texting him with, the j six stuff, the certification of the elections, and not standing up. And he was like he was like, it's more it's more after he voted the way he did, I was like, you know what? When you get your balls back from Nancy Pelosi, come back to Texas, but you're gonna be primaried. And he was. He was primaried. But then one of the things that happens is you'll they'll they'll have a candidate you'll have a good candidate that can can beat a bad, you know, a not just even a rhino, but somebody who's compromised or turned to a democrat that has an r after their name. You you'll have somebody real strong that can primary him, and some other people will jump in the race, and some of those people are are meant to sabotage that strong candidate. And so it's all games. Right? Oh, yeah. Speaker 4: I mean, we we had a local party meeting, and we actually had a person come on that had, she she says she's a Republican, but she literally literally supported the Democrat in a previous election, vocally, loudly. There's pictures, sound bites, and she had the nerve to say, well, that's not true. I mean, just bald faced lie. The these people are just amazing. So it it is so very common to see them do that kind of stuff if they're compromised. They have Yeah. On them, and they will absolutely do what they're asked to do and then turn around and go, I didn't do that. Speaker 2: And there there are people who are And that's why the Epstein client list is so effective. Speaker 11: Yeah. Speaker 4: Exactly. Super effective. Speaker 3: And the and there's not many people in in DC. There's not many people in your your state camp, your state house and and senate either who are not compromised. So Speaker 8: they're Exactly. Speaker 4: I mean, we've we've got to I literally know three personally that are trustworthy, and that Yeah. And that is so so. Yeah. Speaker 8: I know. Well, they did this to us when we were, trying to get the, senate bill four twenty six, that prevents the World Health Organization, World Economic Forum, and UN in Oklahoma. They don't have jurisdiction over it or over us. But, you know, the sad part is is that it's hard to get that word out because, you know, it's like a it's like a blackout, you know, in the media. You know? But they did it to us. They you know, the guy who was over the he was the senate pro tem because the, the elect because the pro tem was getting ready to term out, But he was, you know, he had was in the pocket of the Oklahoma, hospital authority, and they would call him and say they actually killed, the Lori Bram patient rights bill. Called him, Texted him, I think, and said, hey. You know? Kill the bill. Sure did. Show enough. And so he was, you know, making sure that he was, like, over the COVID. We had, you know, we got 4,000,000,000 in COVID funds. Well, he was over two of the, like, three or four committees that they had. One of them was for COVID monies to go to rural, you know, facilities. Well, lo and behold, he owned a a a home care. And then his family owned a pharmacy, and he said, oh, I sold that. Well, okay. But his name is is sure still on it. You know? So, yeah, you you know, these people are are are bought out and twisted and and put a committee in place that he knew would kill the bill. I get it. Call it out. He sold that for, like, some kind of ridiculous Speaker 4: price, to somebody that will that will definitely run it the way he wants to run it. It's it's in name only when he sold it. That's what they do. Yeah. Mhmm. Speaker 8: Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't be a bit surprised, you know, because he sure wanted to be the one divvying out that money. Well, we primary him. But the people in his area were so sick of him. I mean, he proved himself to be, you know, untrustworthy, and the people rose up. And, you know, we were grateful to be part of that group. You know? But, you know, it it just shows, you know, we were we were doing all kinds of stuff exposing them. We were on the steps of the capital. You know, Frank Gaffney came out and spoke, you know, And he still tried to be a snake. You know? You gotta you gotta watch him like a hawk. But, and You gotta have thick you gotta have thick skin Speaker 3: to unseat a a rhino that has a lot of money. Right? So, like, you I've I've been a part of a lot of those types of grassroots campaigns, and, you have to be prepared to give give it your all, leave it all on the field, be absolutely exhausted after the campaign, and know you're probably gonna lose. And when you when you but but you get you get the word out more and more every time, and it may take two or three times to to get them out. But sometimes you hit that that candidate that can raise money and that can get the word out, and that comes so close, and you just gotta you gotta be creative. You gotta think outside of the box. You'll you'll have people try to tell you as a grassroots candidate. You gotta do everything that they the way that they do it. You know? This is the way you do politics. This is the way you get stuff done, and you gotta think outside of the box like a real person. What what does a real person wanna hear, see, you know, and and get out there and knock on those doors. The you know, get yourself a list of Republicans, strong Republican voters, and get push what what Trump's campaign did this time was amazing in that they expanded the base they already had. So they pushed Republicans first and foremost to vote. They got out the vote. They didn't go after a whole yeah. They did they got a lot of other demographics just naturally just because of who he is. I mean, he went on Rogan and and that that you know, he's good at that kind of stuff. But the biggest thing was getting the voters out to vote, the registered voters out to vote. So and but but get involved in in one of those campaigns. It's exciting. You you may be exhausted. You may be frustrated. Make sure you have thick skin, but but just get out there and and, you know, do it. Get involved. What you'll you'll get if you're like me, you'll get hooked on it. You'll be work you know, working. Just I just so everybody knows, I can't say no Speaker 4: to a long to a long shot. So No. And I'll tell you something else. They did a great job using, social media to to push well as well. Yeah. And they they accepted a couple of gifts from the Dems that were very effective, like, the McDonald's thing from. It would be That was fabulous. For them to for him to go to McDonald's. And then the other thing was the the trash comment. I mean, that was absolutely Yeah. Genius. It it and it was, you know, just right in the for last, you know, few weeks right on the trash thing was, like, the week before leading up to to the day of voting. So I thought that was just genius that they actually capitalized on that. And after all, the Dems have been traditionally very good at that using social media. And and I think, you know, we we need to fire with fire as far as that goes. Speaker 8: Well, you know, one of the things that I was very impressed with was, they went after and the and the get out the vote was phenomenal. I think, you know, the RNC was just superb, you know, in what they were doing. Of course, you know, then Scott Pressler and the other people who were helping, you know, around the nation. You know, but they went after the youth. He got on TikTok, and I'm like you know? And he, you know, listened to his son Bear with me. You've gotta talk to these people. You gotta talk to those people. And he connected with them because it makes sense. You know? You know, these guys who were into crypto and all of that, I mean, you wanna free that up. You know? You wanna I know there's, you know, always, you know, there's always a a a, you know, something with everything. But but in that moment, he, picked up I think it was something like what it was 34% of the of the youth vote. It was, I mean, it was pretty significant. You know? Anyhow, you know, when you say go out there and knock on doors, even though they may look like they're young or or whatever, you know, I mean, you know, there's always a way to connect with them always. Speaker 4: Yeah. And and, you know, like, if you Speaker 3: if you go well, they call it, block walking. If you go block walking for a candidate or a group of candidates or a slate of truly grassroots candidates. Like, if you get involved in one of your grassroots groups, truly grassroots, not fake grassroots, they they they give you an app that that gives you you're only knocking on other Republican doors. For the most part, everybody you you you might have somebody who flipped parties, but you're you're knocking especially in a primary. In the primaries, you're hitting Republican doors, and you're just you're just connecting with other Republicans. It's it's fun. And I'll tell you, I've made a lot of friends that way, like minded people, especially in my precinct. Speaker 4: It's the beauty of, you know, of technology and the the app industry that you can you can be so targeted. It's it's really helpful. Speaker 3: I mean, they have access to the voter rolls, and they they look at who the like, you're not gonna waste your time on somebody who who's not registered to vote. You're not gonna waste your time on somebody who's who's who's not going to vote in the Republican primary. So they they will typically look at, you know, did this you'll you it'll literally show you on the app, votes voted the last three times in the Republican Party, voted the last two times, voted the last time so that you know this is a strong Republican. They always come out and vote in the in the primaries. You know, and it's it's it's fun. It's a good time. Same with poll greeting, you know, when you're out there handing out stuff at the polls. But, anyway Speaker 2: And a good way to meet people locally and, you know, connect with other, like you said, like minded people. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Speaker 3: And I've a lot of the people that I've that I've block walked with and stuff wouldn't know about the the hospital homicides if if we hadn't connected. Like, you know, they so there's a lot, you know, you can teach each other. But, but listen, if anybody want we've been going on for an hour. If anybody has a story to tell so, like, at this point, if you if you've got if you wanna talk, if you wanna give an update, if you wanna talk about, you know, your story, just press the, the microphone button to speak, and we'll let you come up. And then, you know, if we have speakers, you know, raise your hand if you've got something to say. But, you know, like, even if you're just disgusted with the government, like, at this point, we'll you know? It's all disconnected. Speaker 4: It's all related. It is all connected because, you know, it is disgusting what our government has done as far as, you know, the globalist agenda, COVID, etcetera. It's all it's all interconnected. So, Speaker 3: whatever you have, we'd love to hear from you. Yeah. We'd love to hear from you. And and, you know, and it's it's and just, you know, like, this is the second from the last spaces that we're gonna have for, till the end of the year, the Saturday spaces. We we are thinking of, doing a a spaces on the thirty first on New Year's Eve. I don't know. We we're still kicking it around. If you guys are gonna be around, maybe we will. And we were thinking about doing one where where we read all the names in our system and just honor those victims. We're thinking about it and hear from from people. We did it couple years ago. Very long time. It does take a long time. It took three I think it took two and a half hours last time. But we read the details to, you know, hospital, that kind of stuff, but it does take a long time. Doctor Thorpe liked it. He popped in and was, like, blown away, actually. So, anyway Speaker 2: really is mind blowing when I mean, just when we read the names for the week that there are so many people that lost their lives just in that the span of that week over the last few years. Speaker 3: Yep. So we do have some people that came up to to speak, and I'm gonna take them in order that they came up just because no. I don't see any hands raised, but that could just be me. I don't know. I don't know. So I think, I think Chris came up first, then Deborah, and then Matt. So Chris, Deborah, Matt, go in that order. Speaker 2: I think Chris has some questions. Hopefully, one of the medical professionals in our audience can come up on mic and maybe offer some insight. Chris, go ahead. How are you doing? Speaker 3: Can't hear you. You probably have to unmute. Speaker 4: There you go. Speaker 3: No. Second. Speaker 6: There you go. I don't know where to begin. Speaker 2: Try to do this. Well, how are you doing? It's been a while since we've seen you, Chris. How are you? Yeah. I've been gone. Speaker 6: Try to do this without crying. Speaker 2: Take your time. Speaker 6: But, I don't know if there's any nurses or doctors on. Speaker 1: And, Speaker 6: oh, yeah. I can't think of her name now. Where'd she go? Not not Chelsea, but, Speaker 3: crap. Gail? Speaker 6: Gail. Gail. Yeah. Yep. That's me. Huckleberry is white. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I you met before, and you saw the problems I I had. Anyway, I I finally, got a diagnosis of CIDP if anybody wants to look that up. I talked to doctor Bain a couple days ago. Speaker 3: Mhmm. Speaker 6: But, you know, the stuff you read on the Internet says it's it's, connected or similar to Guillain Barre. Mhmm. Well, doctor Bain's like, well, where'd you get that? I'm like, well, that's the information that comes up on WebMD or whatever. He said, well, that it may not be that. It's, you know, it sounds like it's, you know, COVID related long COVID or whatever. You know? Yeah. I got sick a couple of times, but I never took, you know, any of those stupid tests or whatever. So it could have been this, could have been that. Anyway, I actually got a a treatment package for, IVIG a week ago. But I I have major concerns about that or any blood products, you know, now. So I'm looking for alternate treatment options or whatever. Speaker 4: You, hi, Chris. I just wanna say you might wanna look at I've been reading a lot about something called DMSO. Have you heard of that? Speaker 6: No. I I've had a couple of people suggest who I won't name, autologous, donation. I mean, you donate your own blood and they convert it into treatments, I guess. Someone mentioned red light therapy. Yeah. But what was that? E e m o g No. It's it's a DMSO. Speaker 4: It is an IV treatment, and it, is well known to help with, pain, and even, neurologically based pain. So you might want to consider, checking that out, DMSO. I know that, the FDA and many, even I read today that somebody had their DMSO confiscated coming into The US. So they're clamping down on it pretty hard because it actually is quite a wonderful product for for many of the conditions, that are pain related and neurologically related. So if you but if you you can just type you can just Google DMSO. Plus, I can I can look up some articles for you? There's a Substack author who writes a lot about it. He his, Substack name is, a Midwestern doctor, but he is a licensed physician and he has wonderful information about that product as well. So if you want, I can, I can DM you with it, or I can put it in the purple pill and just tag you? Speaker 6: It's at dimethyl suboxide? Speaker 4: Mhmm. Yes. Speaker 6: Okay. Well, I mean, I'm looking for other options. Although, I think my insurance company is probably gonna be pissed off since they already paid for this IVIG stuff, and I'm gonna have to pay for other things out of pocket or whatever. Yeah. I don't know how all that works. Speaker 4: Insurance doesn't typically pay for this anyway, and they typically don't for many of those kind of things because, you know, why pay for something that might actually work, unfortunately? You know? They they are very difficult with, any, actual functional type medicine things. So but I will put it in there just for anybody to see. Just wanted to mention that to you. Speaker 6: Alright. Yeah. You know? And, of course, my family is pissed off at me because or you're gonna die if you don't do this IVIG. Why? I you know, I have issue with that. Anything any blood product that I'm, you know, I am I'm concerned about. I mean, it's like, Well, I can double dosing. You're like, well, okay. I already have a I could. I just find it very coincidental that I developed this shit, you know, like, two and a half years ago I started. Oh, gee. What was all going on at the time? Is it you know, am I be shit am I being shedded on all over, or is it because I got sick a couple of times? And then you want to treat me with with something that is potentially, vaccine tainted. There's there's no you know, I I I'm convinced that there's cures for cancer and, you know, all kinds of other things, but, hey, there's there's no, long term profiting cures. Speaker 2: Chris, Sharon Cheadle in the chat was asking you to clarify. Was the diagnosis I, d as in dog, v as in Victor, p as in Paul? Speaker 6: Charlie, indigo, delta, papa, c I d p. Speaker 2: C I d p. Okay. Speaker 1: It's, also Speaker 4: Idiopathic. Yeah. Speaker 3: What was that? Speaker 4: It's it's it's chronic idiopathic. I'm trying to think. Diffuse polyneuropathy. Yes. That's what it is. Yep. So it used to be called reflex sympathetic dystrophy for those who've been in the field longer medical wise, but it's basically neurologic pain and, abnormal sensation, etcetera, in a limb or anywhere in the body, just so people understand, and it's miserable. Speaker 2: So if anyone in the audience or anyone listening, has any knowledge about CIDP or might have any insight for Chris, please, jump on. We'd love to we'd love to hear it. Do you have any insight about that now? I was listening. CIDP. I'll have Adam look into it too, Chris. Speaker 8: I I will say this. As far as the IGG, there are, multiple of, the people who have been injured from, you know, vax from the vaccine from shedding, you know, or, and, I'm sorry. Not from shedding, but from the vaccine, and they've taken IVIG. And it and it has helped them, and it has worked. It I can tell you, with the infusion, the the the biggest thing and I I totally understand. You know? I mean, please do do your do your research, and and I think, there's a couple articles that I used to have that I will, put in the purple pill. But, the the biggest thing would be a, the immune reaction because it is an immune globulin and it will, you know, affect the the the, the cells in your body. It can create a, an allergic reaction. So you should be getting, you know, things like, you know, Benadryl or or Tylenol. But other than that, people did. Now I when I gave it, I wasn't giving it to COVID, vaccine injured. But I I can tell you that after the infusions, most people did feel a sense of, energy. It it made them feel better and and, you know, take that for for what it's worth, my friend. But let me see if I can find these articles and drop it in the purple pill. Speaker 6: I I don't know what the purple pill is. I Were you were you vaccinated, Chris? No. I didn't take any vaccines, but I most of my family had has. So I I don't know if it's shedding or if it's because I got sick, which seem to be what doctor Bain indicated. You know, and that just makes me wonder, what the hell did did they unleash on us? I mean, if if you're not if you're not being shed at all over, then, you know, if you got sick, then it's gonna cause other problems later down the line. Speaker 14: Yeah. Yeah, it can. I just had a couple of thoughts. My first one was to ask if, you've been crying ivermectin at all because, as it's a demyelinating disease, ivermectin can help to, in pretty high doses with medical supervision, can help to, regenerate those myelin sheaths. And the rest of my thoughts on this is that it seems to be very it's very closely related to Julian Barr, and, being an autoimmune disease where your own immune system is attacking you. I heard that, your doctor suggested IVIG. Speaker 2: That could be a great idea. I don't think it's gonna cure it, but He's concerned about tainted, you know, spike tainted blood if he gets IVIG. Speaker 14: Very valid concern. They don't, always separate it. So, yeah, that could just make it worse. I would certainly wanna make sure that, I wasn't getting contaminated, but but, the rest of it is pretty much the same considerations anyone would ever have for an autoimmune disorder, which is whether you're going for your long term anti rejection drugs, like like they use for organ transplants or steroids or anything at all that's anti inflammatory along with, ivermectin or possibly, all this salt. This salt is part of my protocol for that. I forget what that is so I can look it up. But, anything that can regenerate it and slow down that inflammation. I did publish an article a while ago on a, pretty brand new therapy that can, actually eradicate a specific immune response. They, I don't wanna say three d print, but they custom design an antibody that, goes in and actually, blocks the, autoimmune action on any any one specific response. So the doctor would need to know exactly which protein, your immune system is recognizing and attacking that's causing those myelin sheaths to be, destroyed. And, it is possible to eradicate, but that one specific response. But generally speaking, it's, it's treated like all the well, I mean, ask your doctor about treating it like, an autoimmune disorder and keep that information as low as it can be. And if you haven't been using high dose lomectin, ask your doctor about that to help, counteract some of that damage and, regrow those sheets over the nerves. Speaker 2: That sounds Speaker 6: Are are they actually, prescribing ivermectin and other things now, or is that still on the down low because it actually works? Speaker 2: Certain doctors will prescribe it. So, your doctor Bain, my free doctor.com Frontline or frontline doctors or find a local doctor who's friendly. Speaker 6: I I I still been in contact with man, I've forgotten everybody's name. Doctor Bain? No. The the the oh, jeez. I can't believe I forgot her name. The the one that runs most of this stuff, that runs a run Monday night meeting and everything. Speaker 2: Do you mean Chelsea? Speaker 6: Well, no. Not well, Chelsea, but no. No. Speaker 5: Cherry. Speaker 2: Yeah. Cherry. Cherry. No. The the blonde one. The one who run she's always busy. How about oh, Cece. Right. Yeah. You've been you've talked to her recently? Speaker 6: Who? Speaker 2: It's Cece Carey. Speaker 6: I can't I'm sorry. I I the last, rally, that whole situation really pissed me off, so I just left, and I forgotten everybody's name. So Yeah. I think you're Yeah. She has a a contact that I've been in touch with, and, of course, you know, all that's expensive. I have people telling me about, black seed oil. I'm taking activated charcoal, milk distal with dandelion root. People have told me about, I I you know, other things, but, you know, I'm like, I only I gotta go buy all these pills now. Great. Speaker 2: You people have, and I have tagged you into, some comments in the purple pill. So if you go to your x notifications, you should see those and be able to click in, and, and there are some resources there for you. Also, a former nurse, I think, has has come up, Maganificent with her hand up. Did you have any insight for Chris? Speaker 7: How do you do? I do. And I'm not a former nurse, but you might think so because out of necessity, I've become very medically knowledgeable, just to save my life throughout the years due to doctor errors and lack of diagnosis. But, I wanted to tell Chris if he does at some point need IVIG, I have to take, subcutaneous, gamma globulin product. And, yes, I am concerned about what could be coming through the plasma because it's donated, and they don't separate from, vaccinated versus unvaccinated. But so far, so good. I haven't had any bad reactions. My blood work is perfect. When I go in to see my GP, who is fabulous, so my infusions are not through the vein. They're called subcutaneous, which means in the skin. So, I stick three little needles in my belly or in my thighs. You can stick them other places too. Really tiny little needles. And I infuse at home myself every three weeks. So why do I do that? Because I have a condition called common variable immune deficiency, also called hypo gamma globulinemia. So I have, below normal IgG, IgA, b cell deficiency and dysfunction. So the, gamma globulin infusions bring up the IgG level to normal, they don't correct the other problems. So at least I have a fighting chance to fight infection, where otherwise, you know, I'd have to completely isolate. So I'm very thankful for those. So that's the route you have to go. Don't be too fearful of it, especially if it's your only choice. Now another thing I wanted to offer up to him that really helped me after I got COVID, I had a light case. I'm not COVID vaccinated, but, according to doctor Judy Mikovich, she believes that my immune deficiency is caused from most likely cumulative flu shots. So, you know, it's really hard to know for sure because we've all been poisoned for so long. I mean, this could go back to the polio sugar cube that I got when I was a kid. But the flu shots are what I took the most of throughout my life, so that's her guess. So we'll never really know. But, anyway, I got COVID. It was a mild case. I treated it at home because I followed the protocol of the frontline doctors. Didn't even have to go to my doctor, to treat it. But I did get what they call long COVID, which I believe is just severe inflammation and probably, latent viruses that are being reactivated because I do have chronic Epstein Barr virus too. So I was literally on my couch for, in homebound for eight months. I literally could not function. Severe headaches, severe lethargy, terrible brain fog. And finally, Nancy Henderson, who is often in these spaces, showed me pictures of her shingles that she cured with, chlorine dioxide. So I bought it. I was terrified to use it. It sat on in my cupboard for months, and finally, I decided, you know, I'm not gonna die here. I'm just not gonna give up yet. So let me just go ahead and do it. I did it, took my first, you know, doses. And within three days, I kid you not, I was up out off of this couch doing outdoor projects I had put off for months and months. I, the the recovery was simply unbelievable to me, and it was not a placebo effect. I couldn't fake a placebo effect if I wanted to. But, if you're interested in that, Chris, go to, the universalantidote.com, where you'll see plenty of videos and, you can read up on it, and then do whatever feels right to you. C d chlorine dioxide is also called MMS, Miracle Mineral Solutions, and there's also chlorine dioxide solution that you can take that's supposed to be easier on the gut. You can go to my profile and read my journey. I've got it logged, so that people can follow along that are interested in that. So does it it it does not the chlorine dioxide does not heal you, but it will get rid of pathogens, bacteria, parasites, fungus, viruses, and oxygenate your blood to allow your body to better heal. Anyway, I I could write a book literally. I'll stop it there and, you know, I'm always open for any questions that anybody has or any guidance they may need. I'm no expert other than what I know that I've learned myself from my own research. And thank you so much. I'll land it right there. Speaker 2: It really Is that like you should write a book. Go ahead, Chris. Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Is that different from the Snooze spray and the the mouthwash and toothpaste? Speaker 7: Yes. I mean, they're both chlorine dioxide, but, this is, much more, what do you call it, concentrated, more systemic, I guess, is the way you would describe it, a systemic solution, where those are more snoot spray as I understand it, and I'm no expert there either, is mainly for your sinuses. And then the chlorine dioxide is systemic. It is gonna go through your system and clean up all the debris that's keeping you down, that's that's keeping you from healing. And does it mean that you can just take a few doses and then stop? No. You may need to take it for life. It's very, very cheap. It it it just doesn't cost anything. It's pennies. You can even make your own. You can make the, the sodium chloride yourself. You don't even have to take it with the, with the activator, but they say that it helps. If you don't have enough, hydrochloric acid in your stomach, it's it's good to have that activator. There's just so much to learn about it. But when you start researching it, don't get bogged down in the details and worry that you're not gonna be able to sort all the information out. All you need to do first is buy the two bottles and then go from there. Once you have them in your hand, that at least that's the way it worked with me. Once they were in my hand, then I could finally concentrate on doing the research. And it's it's just so simple to get started, like, one drop from part a bottle into a empty glass, dry glass, and then part b, one drop, if that's what you choose to the amount you choose, into a dry glass, let it activate for thirty seconds, and then add water to it. However much water you want. And then you, drink that, and then you repeat, or you can sip on it all day. There's lots of different protocols you can use. What I've been doing lately is, I had a little bit of stomach burn from the chlorine dioxide, so I switched to CDS, but it wasn't doing anything for me. So I switched back to chlorine dioxide, and I just I'm taking a much less dose. So so what I'm doing, for instance, is I've got a a one liter bottle. I filled it with 16 ounces of purified water or filtered water through my Berkey. I don't use distilled because it's too expensive, but you can use that too. And then I put the, four activated drops of the chlorine dioxide. I pour that into my water, and then I drink a quarter of the 16 ounces every hour. And that's just the protocol I'm on that I saw doctor Humble I mean, Jim Humble recommend in one of his videos. I said, what the heck? Let me try that. So it's very forgiving. You're not gonna poison yourself. You just need to remember to dilute it. Don't take it straight. So does that help? Speaker 6: Is that from Frontier, or what company was that that sells that? Speaker 7: Well, it's really hard to know what company it is, but I'll tell you, KVLab is what I recommended everybody buy from because that's what I was told, and that's what's in the, the videos, of the universalantidote.com. But KB Lab offers the sodium chloride at 25%. Now on the chlorine dioxide official Facebook group, they give two links to do two companies that Jim Humble, the guru of chlorine dioxide, recommends. And he he is adamant that you buy from these people, and and that because the sodium chloride is 24, is it 24 is it 22.4%? I believe it is. So according to the people in the Facebook group, that's really important. You don't want the 25% sodium chloride. You want the 22.4. So I I don't know what the name of that company is. I've I've got my bottles just yesterday, and I'm looking on the bottle, and I don't see the name of the company. So I can't tell you what it is for sure. But if you I will send you the link. I can DM that to you, or you can go into the Facebook group called chlorine dioxide, and then in parenthesis, it says official. And you just start looking in at the posts there, and, you know, they'll have at the top featured and, files and things like that, and they tell you what to click on. It came from Australia, I'll tell you. And it took about three weeks to get here. And I can also I'll post a photo of the bottles, and give you the address. Let's see. How did I order yeah. I ordered mine online. So I don't think anyone sells it at that 22.4% solution, in The US. I I think it's just Australia. I could be wrong. But the main thing is it's available. I have it in my hands. I know what to do with it, and it got me off my couch. And I, honest to god, thought this was it. I think the latent viruses that I had were overwhelming my system and with an immune deficiency, and I also have something else that's life threatening called hyperaldosteronism, also called, known as Conn's syndrome. So I've got some serious issues that can take me out really fast, and I really, had given up on life. I thought this is it. I'm an invalid. I don't know what you know, they say COVID is at just a very mild virus or it's just a mild this or that, but I believe there was something in that virus bioengineered into it to cause some really serious health issues. Maybe not for everybody, but for those of us that wanna knock off anyway because we're old and we're sickly, I think it probably took a lot of people out just like me. But that's why you have to stay on your toes. You have to know what medicines to have on hand in case it hits you. You need budesonide. You need a nebulizer. You need ivermectin. You need hydroxychloroquine. There's just so many things you can do to be prepared in case it hits you, and try not to be too afraid of it. Just be concerned and, do the best you can without living in fear. And that's what chlorine dioxide has done for me. It's given me that beautiful support, confidence, self confidence that that I'm not gonna just keel over, you know, at the next infection that comes along. I've got I've got, a resource here that I can use, and I don't have to see a doctor for it. That's another thing. Whittle down all the doctors that you can that aren't a 100% necessary. All these years, I've been living on the fear that I needed this specialist and that specialist and this one and that one. Well, I fired all the doctors that told me to get the COVID shot. I fired them all because I knew better. After doing my research, I knew nobody should be taking these shots. So I got rid of them, and I hired a great GP who said, yeah. I'll manage all these medical conditions you have. You don't need the specialists. I'll I will do that for you. So it can be done. I wanted to also get off the merry-go-round of having to go see a doctor every three months and having this test and that test. I said, no. I'm not living in fear. If I die, I die. But I'm gonna have resources at my fingertips to get me through the next crisis that comes along without fear. Speaker 2: Well said. And that's really what it what it's all about. We can't allow them to, to ramp up the fear baiting and succumb to that because we we've seen what they use that for when they get it. Never again. Speaker 6: I one last question. Not that I'm asking for medical advice, or trying to get anybody in trouble here. So if I did the IVIG and all these other things to potentially clean out negative side effects or whatever. Is that feasible? Speaker 7: Well, as far as I know, IVIG is only for people who are immune deficient. I'm not sure how it works with, the vaccine, the COVID vaccine injured. I know a few of them have have, taken IVIG and, also the subcutaneous IG like I take. But I'm not sure what their diagnosis is that allows for that, treatment. In my case, it's just because my body doesn't make enough IgG. It's too low. I can't fight infection. So I'm not sure Speaker 6: what you would be taking that for. Did a doctor recommend that to you? Yes. My my neurologist, and I I've talked to the nurses who were supposed to administer that. Speaker 7: Well, I would ask if there is an option for you to take the subcutaneous infusions instead of the IVIG because you don't want it going into your vein if you can if you can help it. It's much safer to do it subcutaneously from what I've heard. Speaker 6: Okay. Speaker 7: And I don't know what determines, you know, why some people can do it subcutaneously and others have to do it through the vein. I'm not not sure why that you know, what differentiates the treatment. But, I'll send you, Chris, and I'll well, I'll post in the bubble where I bought the chlorine dioxide, and I'm here for any questions you might have. I wouldn't have done it without Nancy Henderson guiding me along and answering a gazillion questions I had with every single step that I took. I was just terrified for some reason. And I'm even married to a retired organic chemist who was assuring me. No. It's not bleach. It's it's not bleach. You'll be just fine. You really will. So if it weren't for my husband and and Nancy assuring me that my head wasn't gonna blow off, I don't know, but I could have gotten around all the propaganda and the lies on the Internet. So when you do your searches, be sure to use something like Brave. Don't use your regular search web browsers because they're all they're all censored and they lie. They're big pharma, propagandists, and they'll scare the hell out of you. Speaker 6: Oh, I I've had Brave for years. Speaker 7: Oh, good. Brave is also Christian owned from what I have learned, for those that for those that that matters to. I like it as a Christian. I'm very happy about that, and they are the most fair from what I found. I think there's another one called free spoke that's supposed to be good, but just just remember, anyone listening to this that's gonna search chlorine dioxide, they're gonna you're gonna read so much crap that's gonna scare you to death, that's gonna maybe scare you away. Just go to the universalantidote.com and, you know, be sure to look at the videos and, you know, I don't like to do a lot of reading. I get overwhelmed easily, but I love videos. Videos, I learn so much more that way. But I really think that might be an answer for you, Chris. I I didn't hear I came in late. I didn't hear all of your symptoms, but, I think that would be a wonderful way to go. You can even bathe in chlorine dioxide. If you're afraid to drink it, bathe in it. I take three baths a week in it, and, I love them. And I know that it's helping me. So Speaker 6: I won't go too detailed into symptoms, but, walking is getting harder. Step, stairs are no fun at all. I actually bought a cane a couple months ago, finally. Manipulating small objects, buttoning buttons or tying shoes is well, I I can't even do that anymore. I I I can't tie it properly anymore. Other things that are too embarrassing to talk about, I can't I have trouble with. Speaker 7: We follow we follow you. Yeah. Go to, go to Telegram and go to the universal antidote in Telegram and read the testimonials of people just like yourself who have had injuries just like yourself who have had miraculous recoveries. So, that will help you to to read the testimonials. Speaker 6: Alright. Well, I'll look into into that. Speaker 7: Good luck to you. Thanks. Speaker 2: I think that was a whole lot of very potentially useful info, and I hope it helps, Chris. And I hope you come back to let us know how it helps. I think Deborah was next. How are you doing, Deborah? Really good to see you on tonight. Speaker 10: Hi, Chelsea. Well, I'm I'm sick. I'm not feeling well. But I want, quickly before Chris gets off, I wanted to tell him about, I I had gone to see my functional medicine doctor. Well, semi functional medicine doctor this week because I'm not feeling well. And, he gave me a ozone treatment, which that I don't know if you know about that, but they take your own blood, and then they run it through a, I have to look and see what it's actually called. I can't remember. It's a, ultraviolet blood, irradiation process. And so they they put, ozone in into the blood and then run it through that, irradiation process. And, it exposes the blood to ultraviolet a or c rays to stimulate the immune system. So, anyway, it's not it's not cheap, Chris, but it might be something you might look into. And then I was also given some, IV therapy with, vitamins and glutathione, hopefully, to make me feel better. And And then I wanted to, just for those that probably a lot of you guys know my story, but for some of you that don't, Wednesday, the eighteenth, was the anniversary of my mother's death. And today, three three years ago, today was her funeral. And my husband and I, my husband of forty seven and a half years, who was a Vietnam veteran and then an Oklahoma City firefighter for twenty seven years, We got COVID at her funeral. And by the December 28, his oxygen level was down to 56, and I had to call 911. And he he didn't want me to, but I didn't know what else to do. I know much more now, but I didn't then. And, and he was killed by the hospital protocol, and he died on the seventh. He was killed on the seventh of of January of twenty twenty two. So this is a really hard time for me, of course. And, and then I wanted to go on and tell you and ask any of you guys if you had heard about, the, Tucker Carlson interview with Jenner First, f u r s t, I believe his name is. You can actually find it on YouTube right now. Tucker interviewed him. He's done a documentary called Thank You, Doctor Fauci. Has anybody heard of that yet? Speaker 3: I haven't heard of it. Speaker 10: Oh, oh, have you, Will? Okay. Uh-huh. I watched I watched it today, but I kept falling asleep, so I didn't get it all. But in the in he does talk about I'm I think we've, you know, we've heard a lot of this stuff from other people. It was kinda done with a little bit different, perspective. And, but he does talk about how and maybe we knew this, and maybe just my brain fog has made me forget this. I mean, I I thought that the shots might we might have the HIV along with the mRNA and all the other stuff that's in the shots. But he talks about how the COVID, virus itself, because it is a bioweapon, has HIV in it, and we've all been exposed. If we've had COVID, whether we had whether we took the shots or we just had COVID, we've all been exposed to all that crap. So, you can if anybody is interested, you can watch the interview on YouTube. If you're a member of Tucker Carlson Network, you can watch the, video of the documentary right now for free. I I think it's, like, $10 if you if you wanna watch it through the, there's a link, I believe, on the YouTube interview that Tucker has. I think there's a link in it to the documentary. And when I looked at it, like, yesterday, it was, like, $10 to watch it. So, I think that's all I had. So sorry sorry, guys. I'm my like I said, I don't feel well, and I'm I'm having brain fog. But I I did wanna mention those things while I have them on my mind, and, thanks for letting me speak. Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Deborah, and I'm so sorry to hear you're not feeling well. I hope you feel much better very soon. Speaker 10: Thank you, sweetie. I appreciate you so much. I love you guys. Speaker 2: We love you too. It's been rough, hasn't it? It's been I mean, and going into the holiday. I'll be I'll be so glad to see, 2025 roll in and a whole new year of potential for for all of us. Thank you so much for that info. Speaker 10: Thank you. Speaker 2: Matt, thank you for your patience. How are you doing tonight? Speaker 5: Alright. We just got home from, from Christmas at, with my mom's side of the family. So that was fun. Got to see, got got to see some of my, some of my first cousins and, one of their kids. One of one of them got twins, a boy and a girl, so it was nice to see them. We'll only see them once a year. But, man, I'm so so Debra Davis, I'm so sorry to hear you're you're sick. I could tell something was wrong with Mick, and, I texted her. She said she's got a migraine. So every everybody I love is feeling sick, it seems, but I'm not just for the record. I'm totally fine. But I did have one I did have one thing that I did wanna ask. I was think I was thinking of this earlier. And, you know, how do you guys find the the things that we talk about during the Advent season? Where how do you find joy, hope, love, and peace? How do you how do you find that personally? Because we know Christ came to bring all those things. So how how do you guys find that? Like Speaker 4: Well, how how do you find Speaker 3: I mean, the some of those things in my view are choices. Right? Happiness is a choice. Joy can be joy and peace can be a choice too. Like, you have to be very intentional about your faith. I mean, I find that's for me. I find my prayer life feeds, you know, how we worship is how we believe. Right? So my prayer life feeds my peace and my joy. If I if I'm feeling out of sorts, if if I'm feeling something is not giving me peace, I'm gonna step away for a moment at the first opportunity, and I'm gonna spend time with prayer in prayer because even when it comes to relationships around me, if you don't have that if you don't have that relationship in law in order between you and god, it's very hard to have the the relationships in that surround you in order. The holiday time the holidays can be a very difficult, difficult time, but it's not because I mean, many people are dealing with loss, and Christmas will never be the same. But they find other ways to go on, whether it's the kids or new traditions or things or incorporating, others into the, you know, other things into the into their their traditions. It's it's a difficult balance, but I think if you keep it simple, the simpler you keep it you know, I saw a meme. I posted it on my my fake book, actually, that said, the first Christmas was simple. It's okay if yours is too. Right? I mean, Christ was born in a manger. He was laid in a in swaddling cloth in in a feeding trough. Right? Like, it was very simple. We we have to remember what Christmas is about. It's not about outdoing last Christmas. And I have to remind myself of that all the time because I go I go into some kind of some kind of grandma nana psychosis at Christmas time, you know, thinking they need all these things. But, but it it's, you know, it's it's just remembering what it's about. It's her the and I'm glad you brought up Advent because Advent is about, you know, joy wait. Joy, peace. Speaker 5: It's it's hope and it's hope and Yeah. Peace and peace and joy Speaker 3: and then love. And then love. Yeah. Love came down. Right? I always try to remember that love came down the last week as love. So, you know, in Christmas so I was telling Chelsea this yesterday, and so I'm Catholic. And so for Catholics, Christmastide doesn't we have Advent. We're in the season of Advent and then Christmas tide doesn't even Christmas doesn't even start for us until the twenty fourth, and it goes until February 2 because we have, Christmas and then New Year's and then the epiphany, you know, celebrating when the wise men came all the way up till Jesus was brought to the temple. And so we we celebrate it as a season. And so, you know, all you Catholics out there, don't be taking your Christmas tree down until February 2. If anybody gives you grief, it's like, nope. Gotta keep it up. So unless it's a real tree, then you wanna be mindful of fires. But, yeah, but it's it's important to remember. Another thing that helps me, I'll tell you this. So during Advent, Advent starts at on the first and it ends on the twenty fourth. We, our family, we read, one we want we read one chapter of Luke every day from the first to the twenty fourth. There's 24 chapters. And so, that's a tradition that we we do. So that helps us get in the mood, and and stay grounded. How about you, Miriam? Speaker 4: For me, I I think I can maybe speak, you know, for some of the other widows as well. For me, I remind myself that this life is, very short compared to eternity, and I remind myself that because of the promise of the season, Jesus coming for us, that we have already won and that we will see our loved ones again, and we will be with him and them for eternity. So what we've missed is not even a blink of an eye compared to what we will have. And I I like to remind myself that, you know, I have that hope and that love to look forward to. And while I'm here, I want to make sure that when I'm there, I can say I did what what he asked me to do, and make sure that when I go, I can, you know, I can hear those words well well done, good and faithful servant, because I want that union to be everything that he has planned for me. So I try not to you know, nobody's perfect. Of course, you're gonna go, you know, poor, pitiful me sometimes. Of course, you're going to go, I want them here. But, also, if you really think about them and how they're able to celebrate in the Lord's presence, it can give you absolute joy to know that they already have that, and you can look forward to having that with them and having it for eternity. And so I've tried to refocus myself from here to the higher things, you know, what I'm working toward. And just to use Paul's words, we press on. We run the race for the prize that is before us. We don't look back. You can't win a race by looking behind you. You gotta run run ahead. And I just wanted to encourage people in this season because this season is very hard. Speaker 5: I figured it was, and I I I don't it's I guess it's kind of, I guess it's really something that we met when we did, Because we we met not long before Thanksgiving, and now we're headed into the, into the holiday season. And I'm just I'm just reminded, when I when I read those scriptures every day that I that I share with you guys, that the this this this season, you know, we're we're celebrating the the the the beginning of of what would eventually lead to the cross and the resurrection, which we're go which we're gonna which we're gonna celebrate in a few more months. It's not that far away. But we but the this this is the beginning's important. Yes. But but let's remember where that road ultimately led. And as our as our church choir sang this past Sunday, for god so loved this world, but he knew what love would cost. Speaker 3: Yep. He sure did. Speaker 5: Sorry, guys. I didn't mean to take y'all to church this early. Speaker 3: No. You're you're fine. I saw Patty Patty g. Are you on speaker? Speaker 5: She looks like she well, I don't see her as a well, I guess she is because the space glitch and whatnot. She's speaker. I can see her as a speaker. Speaker 3: Okay. Hey, Patty. Speaker 9: Hey. How are you guys? Speaker 3: I'm doing good. How are you? How are things in your neck of the woods? Speaker 9: Good. Good. It's dropping. If you guys can hear me? Speaker 3: Can you hear me? You're breaking up. Yeah. You're we can hear you. We can no. We can hear you. Can you hear us? Speaker 4: I must be in a bad spot. Patty, can you hear me? This is Miriam. Can you hear me? Speaker 9: Yeah. I can hear you, Miriam. Can you guys hear me now? Speaker 4: I don't think, you can hear Gail and but, I can hear you, and I don't know about anybody else out there in the audience. Speaker 9: Oh, gosh. It's crazy. You know, sometimes I feel like, you got something important to share and then, like, just the dark side wants to intervene. But, yeah, I just wanted to say Merry Christmas to everybody, and it's it's so true what everybody was sharing. So, hopefully, some folks will hear it. But one thing that I think is really helpful is to just when you feel so hurt and so lost, to just give back to other people. You know, whether you buy somebody a cup of coffee, you donate your time, donate something, it can kinda lift the spirit of people, especially when they're so alone. So, hopefully, you guys caught that. Speaker 4: I I heard you, Patty. We're we're with you. Speaker 5: Mary and I heard her too. Speaker 4: Oh, good. Great. That sounds hard. Speaker 10: So so do I. Good deal. Okay. Speaker 9: Yeah. And anytime you guys wanna join in the trauma group, we're on Thursday nights now at 08:00. So happy to have y'all. Speaker 4: Thank you, Patty. Speaker 2: Sorry, Patty. Did you say you've moved the the PTSD space to Thursday? Speaker 9: Oh, yeah. It's Thursdays. We've been doing it now, I guess, about five or six weeks. So it's it's you can't even imagine what I'm sitting here in front of. I'm trying to get out on the road. Yeah. Thursdays at 08:00, and, I posted up on Facebook and on the former Fed's email page. Speaker 2: Okay. I need to update the the support group registration page with that. Oh, good. Okay. Yes. Able to bring all your all the people who have signed up for your group over. Were you able to do that? Speaker 9: I think so. Yeah. We've got everybody that was on with us. So but I I think a few new people had been asking for information about it, and I I only had a couple of emails for folks to add. So, yeah, if we can update that you can help with that, that'd be great. Speaker 2: Yep. I'll check. Thank you so much for for doing that. I think I think that's one of the the best support groups that we have. I think people really get a lot out of it because so many of the the people in these groups are, you know, still afflicted with PTSD after what was done. Speaker 9: Yeah. And it's it's interesting because people bring a lot of really good perspectives. So we do try to you know, I give a little teaching at the beginning. I give people a little bit of, like, just some soft skills of knowing what's real, what's normal, not to be, you know, thinking that they're out there alone. And a lot of all our symptoms are just very real, what they're going through. And I've even had people think, well, PTSD, that's just for military folks. And I've had to educate people just in my practice and talk to them about, no. PTSD comes from any kind of physical or emotional, psychological trauma, and what everybody has been through in these four years is pure trauma. So it's very real, and it's it's not easy to work through. It's something that I think will always be with people, but, healing and feeling better and, you know, kinda moving in the journey is what we try to what we try to cover. So super, super grateful to have the group there. Speaker 2: I've heard so many people recently say that, you know, they don't know where they would be if they hadn't found us. So I'm I'm just I'm so grateful for for you, for helping people through that. Speaker 9: It it helps me too. You know? I don't know if everybody knows my story, but when I had, when I had been working in hospital leadership and I came down with COVID and I was very sick, And the the end result was, you know, my prayer to God in the ICU. And that was my prayers that if I could just, you know, help one person every day to make a difference, I wasn't gonna let the the demise of what I thought was gonna be my life, you know, went out. And, I feel very blessed in the fact that you you know, you know, our group has grown. I've gotten involved in psychiatry. And, whether it's one person a day or more, I just feel like being able to touch different people's lives helps them to to keep going. And, it's it's helped me to heal, so I really appreciate everybody. Speaker 2: Yep. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are we are saving lives every day in the the various ways that everybody is is doing what what everyone here does, and I'm just I'm so, honored to be a part of it. You guys are amazing. Matt, did you you had your hand up. Go ahead. Speaker 5: Pat Patty, do you do you mind if I ask you something? Speaker 9: Oh, sure. Go ahead. Speaker 5: What's what's the one in in in your support group, because I've never been in it, what's the one thing that helps people, I I guess, cope with or work through the the p the PTSD that they have experienced? Like, is there is there a one is there one thing that helps? Like, does does just talking about it, is that help in and of itself? I mean or or is there something else that that would helps? Oh, gosh. Talking about it? Speaker 9: It's it's a tough that's a tough question because I always try to narrow people down myself to just one thing. Like, what's your one goal? You know, as I see it with people is I I feel like it's it's individual for each of you, and I think talking about it is is extremely helpful. But when you talk about it and you don't necessarily get, feedback or resource, that may not be helpful. But I think moving forward and trying to find one thing that keeps you going. And sometimes that's taking your eyes off yourself and doing for another person that I've seen the people that I've had in the groups over the last year and a half, when they start doing things, whether it's for our group or for their local community or for someone else who has something totally unrelated, it's that ability to just, hey. I can help someone else, actually helps to heal them. And I think, you know, talking is very important, especially if you get the right person to talk to about things or if you talk to people and share your story. For me, because I lived, you know, what story do I have? Right? But my story is, no. This was wrong, and people are gonna need to know the truth about what happened to me, to the patients that died because I didn't have a family member there to be with them. And so that story and that talking is extremely helpful for me, but I think all the folks that I've had on the group, when they have gone out and done something, taken their eyes off themselves, it helps them to not feel so bad. The pain is not so bad. Like, this one guy I met just a couple weeks ago, Steve, and we're doing this podcast thing, and his wife died. How traumatic. I mean, like, all of you. And what he's doing, I think, has been inspiring and moving him. So that would be my thing. Try to do one thing daily, weekly, monthly to set your eyes on something where you feel you can make a difference, whether it's giving a cup of coffee, helping a community, helping another group, helping something. Right? Like, I'm thinking of all kinds of things right now. But then also too, talking about it, it does kinda help to heal. That would be my suggestion. And then join our group. Just come join us. Speaker 5: And the another thing too. Oh, snap. What was oh oh my gosh. I'm Oh, you're fine. I'm I'm draw no. I'm I'm draw I'm drawing a blank. Some something you said I wanted to, I I wanted to jump in jump in right then, but, Speaker 2: oh, gosh. I will remember it in a second. I just wanted to to note that I did pin, the link for Patty's book. If you if you're unfamiliar with Patty's story or if you haven't read the book, I I highly recommend it. I've I've read a few pages, and it is just so good. It's called They Call Me Harriet, a chilling account of a nurse executive story of survival, and it is, linked up in the nest along with Janae's, I Will Breathe For You. Both of these are just, really required reading, on this subject matter. So check those out. Did you think of what you were gonna say, Matt? Speaker 5: I I think it I think it was maybe something to do with with, with no. No. Not yet, but come back to me. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, guys. I'm supposed to be a well, oh, wait. Yeah. I do I do I do remember what I was gonna say. You know you know you know, Patty, that's the one thing that I said to, nurse Michelle Spencer when I had her on last night. I told her I said, look. You gotta keep you gotta keep speaking up. You gotta keep telling your story because Mhmm. People need people need to know what happened. Likewise, peep people need to know what happened with the about about the PTSD that people have experienced from losing their loved ones in the manner that they have, much less the survivors. Absolutely. Those stories need to be told as well, like like Gail's, like yours, like Janae's, like Tanya's. I could go on. But the don't whatever you do, don't stop speaking out. Don't stop supporting each each other. Don't stop holding these support groups because but but on the other hand, don't don't, don't stay that way either. You know, you know, I heard someone say, I I I've heard it said that Christ loves you too loves you so much to welcome you as you are, but he but he but he loves you too much to have you stay as you are. He wants you to change. He wants you to be transformed. He doesn't want you to be stuck in in in the in that place where you're always feeling that PTSD or you're always, or or that or that's become so much of an identity to you that you can't see past it. You you you have to you you'll probably a part of you will always have that. That's just part of it. That's just human nature. But you have to move beyond it, and you and you have to find meaning in in helping others do the same. Speaker 9: Yeah. I agree. I think that's really that that's a wonderful statement because you're right. You know, I have I have good days and bad days too, and I think for everybody, we will always be changed forever. That's what I tell the group. You know? You're never gonna be the same. That journey, that path is so different now. Whether you make a right turn or a left turn or just a little squiggly line to one side, we are never gonna be the same. And the power of what we can do so our loved ones don't die in vain, and so, you know, my journey, because I took quite a turn, it's not gonna be in vain because people are gonna understand and learn and hear what happened, what should never happen again, and how to really put our focus on what's important. You know? And we just don't know. Like, I never knew back in 2020. I got out of the hospital. I I went in in August, and I got out in September. And from September all the way through, we were so undercover. We had this it was international, and I was talking to people on these chat groups and mess messenger groups. And I don't even know all the people that I spoke to unless I go back and start chatting on all those different pages because we touched each other's lives at such a time. And thank goodness for that because we were able to provide support and help. And that's the story that needs to continue to be told because people need to know what happened, and people need to know how to prepare and protect themselves for the future so this doesn't happen again. And so that's that's what's really profound for me. And, I'll shout it to the mountain tops. My goal one day is to get in front of RFK and give them everything that I think we need to keep America healthy because I think we can be so resilient. And, really, that's what it's about. Right? The the human the human kindness, the human connection, caring for other people. And what happened in the hospital, people just don't even know the horrific part of it, of what many of us witnessed and saw. And that's why I broke a lot of rules. You know? But I didn't wanna break too many rules that I couldn't sort of stay undercover to keep getting information out. But you're right. It changed lives that I'll never be the same. And I know everybody else that I've come in contact with, you know, through whatever reason, a loss of a loved one or quitting the health care profession will never be the same. And people need to know they need to know what happened. Speaker 3: Right. We're forever changed. And Speaker 9: and all of those things should have never had to happen. I still get choked up too. I was doing this reporting the other day, and I got through almost an hour. And when we got to the end, it was funny because just kinda, like, to your point, I think that's the thing. No matter how divided we might be on certain topics, you know, of the day, which is unfortunate, the fact that there are so many good people out there that the last four years didn't have to happen the way they did, and we'll never be able to change that. So let's change that forward by keeping these groups going and by keeping getting information out and by being out there to make make a difference and holding on to people. Like, our group, this trauma group, there's not a week that goes by that I'm not excited to talk to and see everybody because everybody's in a different place in their journey. And the group earlier, I I couldn't jump on earlier, but I heard a little bit about what you guys shared. You know, this is not really a happy time for people, and yet all around us, we have Christmas trees and lights and celebration. And so much of what you've all said is, you know, make this time very inward, spiritual, intuitive to heal yourself and to do things that nurture you. And I I told everybody in the group, I want them to do things that are nurturing for them. You know? And that means doing things that they probably haven't gone out and ever done before because most of the people in my group are the kind of people that have always helped other people to the demise of themselves. And now I want them to nurture themselves, and so I'm hoping to hold them to the challenge. I wanna hear some of the nice things they've done. You know? Whether it's you go out and you put your feet in the ground. You go smell the flowers. You go get a massage. You go buy yourself some perfume. You do something. Get a facial, whatever. Paint your nails. Those kinds of things. And, I I would just say to have this time of year for those people that are suffering or sad or just, you know, you can't celebrate the way you used to because your loved one has passed, do something to keep them in a positive memory, bring them to what you do, and do something nurturing, And pay it forward. That's where I love getting people to do different things. You know? Go by you guys have probably seen it or done it. You know, you get in the Starbucks line and you pay for the cup of coffee behind you. What a great thing. And it gives you a little smile, a little pitter patter in your, you know, in your heart for for just a couple of minutes, but it really could make somebody's day. Somebody paid for somebody's food at McDonald's the other day because something weird happened, and they put it on Facebook. And I thought, how nice. You know, those kinds of things. It does help to heal. Speaker 2: Yep. Someone, it was it was over a year ago. I went through the the Starbucks drive through. I don't do that often, especially anymore. But I I had I had, you know, counted change to have just enough to go get my, my macchiato extra extra draw, and I went up there, you know, ready to to count it all out for him. And the the car had had paid it forward. And I was like, that is just so nice. It it did. It totally made my day. Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of stuff because thinking about all the things that are different and thinking about all the heartache one has, it's it's more or less like that person is being punished or punishing themselves. And we do the grief circle, you know, in the in the group. And while we don't always stay in acceptance and that acceptance moving forward, when you need to feel better, you gotta take your eyes off yourself and do something that gives someone else a little joy. And it really does help, you know, if only for a little bit. Speaker 2: And that's really that that's lost in in so much of the the commercialized Christmas, you know, what we've all kind of come to accept is what what Christmas is, where it's a commercial production. And if you don't if you don't get your kids those, baubles and and tech gadgets, you know, you have failed somehow as a parent. And this this is not at all what what it's about. It's about, being being kind to others and being especially kind to others. And and I know so many of you get that. It's just it's it's a testament to how how what a wonderful community we've built here with such such warm and wonderful people who've gone through so much unthinkable, unspeakable course and come out just so so full of kindness and compassion for other people, and you guys are amazing. Speaker 5: That's the thing that really stand stands out to me and has stood out from when I from when I first connected with you guys, about a month ago is is is is is how profound that that really shows. It it really shows in the way you treat each other, the way you the way you support each other. Like, whenever one of you is sick or whatever, when whenever one of you is going through something or or just just the way you all treat each other, it really stands out. And that's despite everything you all have been through, but yet you all understand what each what each other the way each other feels, the way the the what what each other feels on any given day, and twice on Sunday. You you you you've all bonded with each other. You've all come to know each other, and it it's it's been really profound. And it it always sticks out to me whenever I'm on with with the Catholics on Tuesdays even though I'm not a Catholic, and Gail Gail always makes fun of me for it, which I don't which I don't mind. I don't I'm kinda I'm kind of an oddball anyways. But, but Speaker 3: yeah. Yeah. We we let him hang with us. We let him hang with us just because Speaker 5: you know They they let him they let me they let me come in there so that so I could be, like, the proverbial punching bag protestant. It's it's just Speaker 2: a hard time. It just means she loves me. Yeah. Speaker 5: I know. And I I know. And and and, of course, when whenever Gail and I talk privately between ourselves, we always find something to laugh about. But, but but, anyway, it it it's it and even on the Monday night calls, even even if it's just me and Sherry talking, like, one particular call when it was, it it all it always stands out the way that that this community. I I I don't know that I've ever found, any anything anything like it. It's it's really amazing what you guys have what's been built here and what, and what the Lord has done. I I can't I I thank God I found you and that y'all let me in and took me in as if I was one of your own even though I'm not. And it's it's it's just amazing. I thank God for you guys and that I found y'all. Speaker 2: I mean, you keep saying that that you're not, but you again, everyone who has endured the last five years and and has been subjected to COVID policies, protocols, and mandates. Now you may not have been abused to the point of death or the death of your loved one, but you have been abused by these things. And and that's really what I'm trying to get through to to everyone on the entire planet right now is to wake up and realize how badly you've been abused by these things. Literally, everyone alive on the planet right now, especially the children, are victims of COVID related crimes against humanity because we had a gain of function, engineered virus unleashed on the world for for political reasons and to to strong-arm all of this horrible, horrible policy that nobody ever there was no debate or consensus or agreement about. Nobody voted for any of this. Rich people in elite ivory towers decided that this is what's good for us. We don't know what's good for us. We can't vote for our own interests, so they need to to take those decisions away from us. And and that's you know, the extent of of the abuse at the hands of COVID policies, protocols, and mandates is really it's it's vast and all encompassing. And if you're alive right now and you've lived through the last five years, then I I feel you you should be a part of this, and you do belong here because literally everyone again, the a lot of the the members in our group, we we focus on the most horrendous aspects of these things, and they've been subjected to the absolute worst of it. But everyone on the planet has endured some hardship as a result of this. And I just wanted to make that point because you keep saying that. Speaker 5: I I know. I know. And I I guess I guess part of it is, like, I don't I don't know. I I just can't part of it is just internal struggle within within myself that I'm just I'm I I kinda felt like I didn't fit in, but whatever. I'm in now. I I ain't leaving. But but it's it's just it's just that I don't know. I guess it's pride. And, oh, I didn't I I didn't go I didn't go I didn't go through any of what y'all went through. Why should I be you know, I think I think that's part of it. I I think to myself, that's part of it. I think the Speaker 2: self isolating during the during the COVID pandemic? Say that again. Did you isolate? Did you did you lock down your home and and alter your life as it had been to that point? Speaker 5: No. Because no. Because during the pandemic, right before the pandemic, I had just lost, I I had just lost I say lost a job, but it fired wouldn't be the correct way to phrase it. So I I so I was unemployed between February 2020 and November 2021 when I started with my current job with my my current company. So I had a lot of time to fit to to consume media content and figure out what was going on. And I I guess part of me did feel isolated because my immediate family didn't didn't didn't agree with me, didn't see what was going on the way that I did. So in part, yeah, I did. Speaker 2: And that's another aspect of it too, the the censorship and propaganda that was engineered to drive families apart and and keep you isolated in that way. Speaker 3: Or if anybody's employer mandated the the jab. That I mean, like, there's so many things that there's, yeah, there's so many things that that fall under I mean, like, I it'd be hard pressed to find anybody who was not impacted some way, somehow by by what was unleashed on us and what will be unleashed on us again. Right? Speaker 5: Yeah. And it was California just declared a state of emergency because because of case of bird flu in Louisiana. Speaker 4: Yeah. And it was and it was unintentional too because they don't see us as human beings worthy of any kind of consideration. They see us as, you know, people who take up resources, beings that take up resources that we're not deserving of that, you know, that they are. So and even in that, once you realize that, that's an extreme form of abuse because you're marginalized to the point that you don't you don't deserve to exist. So, I mean, people need to realize that they and did indeed suffer, whether or not, you know, you lost your husband like me. All of humanity was made to suffer. Yeah. Speaker 5: I get I guess I guess I just have to I guess I just have to get over that then. I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm glad you you all said what you said, but I just for for a while, I I I had the I had this I I had this thought process run through my mind, and I wasn't sure when or how to bring it up. But, you know, I I don't care that it's in a public setting like this. I really don't because I I because sometimes it's what what's necessary to bring somebody out of whatever it is they're feeling. So I I don't I don't mind that it Speaker 2: single you out to say those things, but I want everybody to to be aware that, you know, it this the subject at hand is relevant to you, whether you realize the extent to which it is or or you don't. Speaker 3: I mean, I I'll tell you. Like, we have a, story out on our Texas site where and the guy had the guy was trying to reach out to, Peter McCullough, actually, and wasn't really getting a response. And I told him to put his story in on our website because we would tell it. And it was, it wasn't a protocol death or even, a protocol story or a shot story, but his story was this. He was arrested in Texas in Tarrant County, Texas for refusing to wear a mask in a store. He even offered to leave after the police were called, and they still arrested him just because he had an attitude mask. Speaker 5: That's insane to me. How's Gail, how is that any different from the mom in Idaho? It's not. Sarah Breake, her name, who took her kid to the park and got arrested. Yep. But got arrested for that. And by the way, her own husband is on the police force where where she got arrested at. It's insane. Speaker 3: That that's where, you know, the police well, they got rid of a lot of the good police. They pushed them out of the out of the force before you know, they were forced to or push to resign early or just let go. But a lot of the police that are left, they they're like little they're like the gestapo for these types of things. And I found out the hard way that police officers, their number one, their mission changed because of some supreme court ruling. They are no longer their mission is no longer to serve and protect or protect and serve. It is, completely different. It is really just to apprehend, you know, justice involved individuals. And, and the other thing I learned is they only go through two hours of constitution of training on the constitution. Two freaking hours. Speaker 4: Yep. I'll tell you something too that just crossed my mind, Gail. Mhmm. You know, talking about inappropriate use of power and aggressive policing. You know, I think people we've we've gotten so indoctrinated, even subconsciously, into these movements that talk about microaggressions this, microaggressions that. We fail to recognize that we are the victims of a macroaggression on a global scale. Mhmm. We need to be as vocal as they are about their silly microaggressions. We need to be we need to make people understand that they have indeed been victimized, okay, in a big way humanity has. So that I think it's so easy to go, well, you know, we're gonna be quiet because I think we got tired of hearing all these other, oh, that word's it's a microaggression. Blah blah blah. So, you know, we've totally, like, retracted it. Meaning, you haven't pulled yourself back except for those of us that were literally had people murdered. But we need to we need to step into that and go, wait a minute. No. No. No. No. No. No. Here's the real aggression. Here it is. And it's a macroaggression, a global scale. Right. Exactly. Speaker 3: I mean, if I I would question anybody's moral compass who's not absolutely outraged and upset about murder happening in in mass scale in hospitals or political prisoners being held in DC or, you know Speaker 2: Many people aren't even aware of the the protocol deaths even though we've been screaming it from the rooftops for the last several years. Right. But people are aware of it now that they mandated Speaker 4: experimental gene never personally happen to you. It doesn't have to personally happen to you for you to to be outraged and to see the aggression and to stand against it. And that's the thing. It we've been conditioned to, you know, pull back because, oh, there's been the other side, you know, silencing people for so long on these ridiculous, you know, verbal agenda items where you can't say or do certain things. And we've been conditioned to not even react. And I think, you know, we need to look at it the other way and see reality for what it is. It's we're under attack and under constant attack on a macro scale. Speaker 5: Yeah. That's a heck of a point. That's a heck of a point. And it's not it's not even unique to this issue. I mean, yeah, we're talking COVID crimes against humanity, but we but we could but we could easily be talking about every other front, every other issue we're facing and come back same conclusion. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Speaker 4: You know, we're we're conditioned to, you know, go along to get along. Keep your head down. Well, that hasn't gone so well. You know? I think I think we have to go, uh-uh. Dushy, quiet. We need to be loud and make sure that the truth is told. We'll change our evil boy. Speaker 5: We'll change our answer, alright, from no to bleep no. Speaker 3: Right. Speaker 4: There there you go. You know, because the the squeaky wheel gets the grease, people. Speaker 3: Yep. That's a fact. Speaker 5: And and and one one other thing too. You you would you would you think like, people still think there there are people out there who still think that people died in in the hospitals because of COVID. No. They they they died because of the protocols. Yeah. They as as you as you guys know and I and I believe you. I mean I mean I mean or or what nurse Michelle Spencer shared, last night with me that that that those babies died because of the COVID shots. Yep. They're still doing it. They're still doing it. That's the other thing that got me that got me too, which I'm sure you you guys already knew. Speaker 3: They're still they're still doing it. The remdesivir protocol is still the standard of care to this day. Yeah. Well, we're good. We got calls last week. Pregnant women to this day. We got we got calls this last week. We we see we see the signs all over the place. You know, I say it all the time too. Like so one of the things is and conservatives are notorious for this. They don't wanna they wanna be nice. They wanna be nice. They don't wanna be rude. They wanna be they they mistake nice and kind all the time. Well, I wanna be kind. I wanna be nice. You know? And I this is what I always tell people and make people probably sick of hearing it, but some of you might not have heard it. There there's a difference between nice and kind. Nice Mhmm. Nice is if me and you get to an elevator at the same time, and I say, oh, after you, you go first. Kind if if that elevator door opens and there's no floor and I have to yank you back or shove you out of the way to save your life, it may not feel nice, but it sure the hell is kind. So you can be kind. Sometimes being kind, it doesn't feel like it's being nice. Thanks. But we have to we have to speak up. Like you said, the squeaky wheel gets gets the grease, and we and conservatives by nature are conservative. And so, you know, in in the way that they behave, in the way that and it and it's going to be the death of us. Our our our rose colored glasses with regard to the police, our rose colored dropped out mid sentence there, Gail. Can you hear me now? Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you might need to rejoin. But while you do that, I'm glad to see Brad. Brad is with us. Speaker 1: Ashley, everybody. Speaker 4: Chelsea, just to let you know, I could hear Gail, but I don't think you could hear her. Oops. Okay. Speaker 13: Yeah. I I I'm listening to what everybody's saying and factoring into what you know, I I find it, I never thought much about what reality was, prior to the pandemic. And since the whole thing unfolded and I saw all these different angles on humanity, the US government, health care providers, food industry. I you know, there's a whole laundry list. You know, it almost on a daily basis, I'm I'm still trying to piece together, like, what what is the nature of our reality? Like, and it's sort of, like, unsettled, and it's, I don't really have a a I don't know that I've really advanced the ball, but it it's a bizarre the one thing I've gone through recently is I was, like, a huge Beatles fan growing up. Like, huge, huge Beatles fan. From a music theory perspective, I never really thought much about the lyrics. But I went back and I just I kinda, like I realized I hadn't examined John Lennon since, since the pandemic. And if you go back, I now see him struggling with the nature of reality. You know? Like, I I think he's this guy from Liverpool. He goes to Hamburg as a as a teen, and, you know, he's he's, probably taking uppers and and, you know, drinking and playing and having his mind expanded by music theory and all this stuff. But if you look at a lot of his lyrics, he's really talking about the nature of reality, and I just I never gave it much thought. I I never had I just sort of thought, oh, you know, it's interesting he's talking about that with his his movements towards peace, you know, happy Christmas, war's over if you wanted, all that stuff. Like, I was as a general proposition, I'm in favor of it because I'm I'm I'm antiwar. But in terms of it being, like, an overarching philosophy, I hadn't really, like, you know, bought into it on a philosophical, like, identity basis. And I realized that I I almost see him as as kinda having things figured out. And I know I've read all this deconstructionist treatment of John Lennon. You know? Like, imagine is about, it it's like, well, Marxist philosophy or something like that, and I I I don't really subscribe to that. But if you go back and you look at in the early seventies, things he's saying about, like, the nature of the people. Like, at one point, he says, you know, we're we're controlled by maniacs. You know, we're we're controlled by by by by madmen. And, you know, all this is juxtaposed, you know, to walking around the streets of Hanoi and just seeing from locals, like, where the b fifty two runs were were were happening. Like, in the flower market in Hanoi, they had b fifty two runs. This is, like, in the middle of Hanoi even at the time, and they just, like, wiped out a a, flower market. And they, you know, you had these thuds. I forget the f whatever it was, f one o ones maybe. They carried these 2,000 pound bombs, and, I spent a lot of time around Truckback Lake, which is where, John McCain, bailed out into the lake. And and there's a guy that's still there who I've met who actually went out into the lake and and brought him in. And where am I going with this? I I don't under I I I think there's some, like, really super bad people that don't have any of the it's it's it's more than moral foundation. It's like, people who don't have they're they're they're not able they they don't have any empathy, and they probably think that, you know, maybe they're in a simulation and none of this matters. And, unfortunately, they have a lot of money, and they have a lot of access to a lot of capital, and they spent a lot of, you know, many decades creating these bureaucracies and organizations and, units within government that seem to be specifically designed to get around a lot of the controls, the the control system that, say, the framers I'd like I still would like to think that the framers and the founders were really onto something with building the constitutional framework, but it's like you know? Because, yeah, you have to examine that too. Like, is that real? And I I, you know, I think it is. And even if it's not, it's a it's about it's it's it's a it's an aspirational way of looking at the world if you would take that as a given and as a foundational pillar of of the nature of our reality, you know, you could find worse ones to ascribe to. So, this this is what I you know when I'm not focused on just some tactical thing that I'm working on to try to make things better, like, with a filing or you know, sometimes I actually do filings that are just I'm I'm strictly, you know, mercenary, and then I you know, I I gotta pay the pay the bills like everybody else. But Alright. All this is against the backdrop of the nature of reality. How could you have right now, I'm working on I have a January 6, client who I I won't mention his name. It's public, but I just won't mention his name. But, you know, there's a question about what's gonna happen with pardons, and I really have no I've I've theories, but everybody has theories. So one way to look at it is is that in all likelihood, this would probably be somebody who is worthy of a pardon, but I feel an obligation of to to put some motion practice down, even though it's a really hard judge, one of the harder judges, they just I feel this compulsion to try to establish the objective reality, because nobody's been this thing that I struggle with, nobody's been more adversely impacted, than somebody who is in the establishment in Washington, DC, a jurist in Washington, DC who's unaware that information systems and the way that they take information and that there's this, corruptive filtration system that's been that's been built around around them, whether you're a juror in the district or you're a prosecutor in the district or you're a defense counsel in the district or you are a, you know, a a judge in the district, I can guarantee you you didn't know that units within the FBI, within the state department, within our intelligence agencies We're going to Facebook and going to Twitter and completely, with intent, changing the nature of reality on purpose, putting more and more of what our sense of reality is, unharnessing it from, a system of reality that's based on physical observations, the natural natural universe that we all we all physically see, and we share that with people on a one on one basis, you know, in presence with each other to one particularly after COVID nineteen where, you know, all those those church groups, those, PTA meetings, those civic organizations you're in, you know, there was, like, a government taxpayer funded effort to get people away from those and get them you know, you saw holdouts. I have friends that, like, proclaim their resistance to joining Facebook, for instance, who broke down during the during COVID and joined Facebook. Right? So we had this this taxpayer funded effort to get everybody onto these these these reality platforms that are based on digital information, without as many of the anchors that you've historically had to a a reality based on physical observations of the natural universe. And all this stuff is happening so fast, and it's for me, it just manifests itself where it's just like I wake up some days and I'm like, I I it's it's strange. Like, I'm I'm I'm I'm I struggle with the nature of reality where, like, I I was not I I I did not have this confronting me on a daily basis in 2018 or 02/2019. What I've settled a lot of that is just looking at at everything that I take it for granted for so many years and having to question that too. And it's it's unsettling, and it's, it's, you know, it's a it's pretty much a daily challenge. You have to be really you have to have mental discipline to be able to to to, to to be able to process it and still sort of stay on track, with your life. And I'm pretty resilient. I'm pretty good that way. I think I would have to say I'm probably in the upper percentiles for the ability to do that, and I'm struggling with it. So I have to imagine that many others are really having a hard time. And, of course, one of the best ways to deal with it is to not deal with it and to stay in that matrix and not even acknowledge that this is happening. So, like and and the more plugged the the more plugged in you are to the establishment, the harder it is to, to sort of break out of that, the more cognitive dissonance you're gonna experience when you're confronted by truth. And so this is this is, like, what I you know, I it's it's just like a it's just a daily thing that I have to manage. I know it was talked about in circles, but do you guys get where I'm sorta heading with that? And did you guys did you guys know what the hell I'm talking about? Speaker 4: Yes. 100%. I mean, Brad, I get it because it's like what my husband used to call a pinch me moment because you're like, this reality is so far divorced from from what we were experiencing prior to, you know, 2019, '20 in our everyday lives, it's like it almost seems like when you think back to that time period, that that was an entirely different reality. It is such a complete switch, and I think that's why some people refuse to disengage. They wanna cling to that prior reality. But for some of us, you know, so many things happened that we were literally yanked out of that. You know, we we can't go back. And, I think that's where the daily tension comes for us because we look around and we see other people going through their lives, and they are so plugged in still to this faux reality inside of a system that is truly it it is nothing but aggression against humanity, and they have no clue. They continue to, you know, live their lives. And for the rest of us, we're standing here going, what? Because we're like, can't hello? So, yeah, I I totally get what you're saying, Brad. And it is it's a daily struggle to not want to kinda go out into the street and just go, hello. Everybody wake up now. You kinda wanna do, you know, your head off the window in the movie in New York. I'm proud as hell. Everybody wake up. You know? Yeah. So it is it is a it is a seriously shocking when you realize the contrast. It it is amazing. Speaker 5: Let me put it let me put it this way, Mary, if you don't mind me chiming in on this as well. We all thought that at least those of us in the so called on the so called right wing of this. We all thought that, oh, the, oh, the government's gonna protect us. The the the systems and processes that are in place are gonna prevent the very things that we that we saw from that we saw happen in 2020 onward from happening, and yet they did. For instance for instance, one we all thought that at at least for a while, as long as I've been alive and I haven't been long alive that long, the right thought big, that big government by itself was going to do the sorts of things we saw during the pandemic, but, but but they didn't. The left thought it was just gonna be big business that did it. Well, it turns out both of the it was actually both of those entities working together to do it. So you had the merger of the private and the public sector. So even so it to the point that even the separation that we thought we had between the public and private sector, that is an illusion in and of itself. And and it's because we've we've been so dumbed down that we don't realize we we don't we don't realize, first of all, that the nature of and and I and I think Brad's talked previously when when, when I've heard him speak about this as well. We don't realize the nature of psy ops five g warfare and how how that affects us, how that how that trickles down to the point that it's it's it's like and this is not a perfect analogy, but it's it's like how Satan operates in the shadows. And next thing you know, when he comes for the kill, it's it's too it's too late. You don't see it coming. Unless you're unless you're spiritually in tune and spiritually aware, you you don't you don't see it coming. And then when it hits you like a truck, you're stuck wondering, like many of us were, how how did this happen? How did the very system that we trusted, the system that we thought was gonna protect us from everything we've seen since the lockdown, since March 2020 onward, how did the system fail, or did it not fail and it and it was designed to it was designed to do the very thing that that it's done. It's it's it's like we're all dreaming. It's like we're on the matrix, and we're trying to break out of it. Speaker 13: I'm not sure to what end. Like, I'm not sure where it all goes. Like, you know, let's say we're successful at getting everybody to recognize that there was this elaborate system that was built that over more than a decade, you know, through gain of function research and US patent law and collaboration between, you know, US, Europe, and, certainly Canada and China, traded this COVID molecule, whatever. And then some some group of planners, I'm not sure, like, you know, I I don't know if it's they're, like, Bond villains or, like, I I I don't have a I'm I'm not sure, like, how how all the planning was done. It was done on such a sophisticated level, and it it was unveiled, asymmetrically across all societies. Like, there must be some governance system that's outside our constitutional governance system, with people who either have, like, really, evil motives or, just don't even really much care at all about impacts on humanity. Like, it isn't like you know, they don't they don't care, they, you know, they don't care enough to to to to care about these humanity concerns. It just it just doesn't matter to them. And so after all this stuff is is, like, after this consciousness this state of higher consciousness is achieved, assuming it can be achieved, like, to what end? How do these social systems that provided, stability and economic structure and productivity increases for humanity and undergirded the rule of law system. And I could name a whole bunch of different things. Like, what what happens when that's all called into question? Like, I'm not sure what to wish for. Yeah. I guess that's a real I I and so I just I keep doing, like, on a daily basis. I try to do what the right I what I think is the right thing. But I realized that somebody has, like, some force or some control group, some group of planners, or if there aren't planners, some feature of of human systems where, you know, they they end up here with time just by, like, survival of the fittest or whatever, you know, among human systems. Like, we're caught up in some kind of cycle. You know, I don't know, man. It's I really struggle with this. Like, and these are things that I just never really gave much thought about. I had a framework for all this stuff. There I had many premises that I I accepted as being true that I now question. My you know, I've I've I probably have a couple thousand books around the house maybe, like, that I've read over, you know, my lifetime. And, I can pretty much take any of those any of those books, start reading it, and, it would have a different it would have a different mean like, I could pick up any book right now, read it, and it'll hit me in a completely different way than it would have, say, 10 like, I can't even read, I used to like, first person, military, history accounts. I I have I can't even tell you how many every one that I find I still buy them now, but I just stick them on the shelf. I really can't bring myself to read them. I mean, this whole idea of of warfare, being for a higher purpose, like, I'm not really buying into that anymore. Yeah. Like, I've kind of evolved past that. I I can't, I have all these, they're hard to find. I have all these first person, war accounts from this this the Soviets and and, in World War two in Eastern Front and, the the Germans, you know, the Germans in in World War two. And I I read it. I really enjoyed reading those accounts, and I just can't even or or, Vietnam I have a lot of Vietnam War accounts. Like, I cannot bring myself. I can't believe we're running around in Vietnam, you know, with 700,000 American troops over there, dropping six x six and a half times the ordinance on Vietnam that we dropped in all of World War two, not to mention all the Agent Orange, which is now Roundup. You know? And I just I like, what the hell? Like, how did this happen? How did the American system generate that? Speaker 4: Exactly. I mean, we don't. It's not you can't now say you don't have the narrative anymore that, you know, here's the the well defined, we know who the good guys are over here over here, and the bad guys are over there. It's it's not that clear anymore, is it? No. It's not clear anymore at all. And I mean, I just we we just hit six Speaker 13: in Russia. I just saw a video. I can barely bring myself to watch it where the the Ukrainians I guess it's Ukrainians. I I assume that there's US military advisers that are doing this. They hit six apartment buildings. You know, the stuff Israel's doing with the with with the knock, you know, the the knock raids on on apartment houses where they just, like, I'm just I'm done with this, man. I want no part of that. Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah. I think, unfortunately, you know, we're looking at a system that is, it's there's there's it is a supranational system, and the intent is, you know, I'll take as much as I can because I have the power to do it, and the rest of you are you know, you're you're dispensable. You're utility. You're useless cedars. You're, income. And Yep. And it is just it's horrifying when you realize that that's the case, and it's not defined by national borders anymore. It's it's global. Speaker 5: It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And it's to me, it's no coincidence when you look at we we look we went from the from the survival of the fittest Darwin, the the strong will survive the weak, to Margaret Sanger, the strong will kill the weak in a little more than half century. And look at where we are now. Speaker 13: And all those philosophies yeah. All those now those philosophies got got, they they all increased in ferocity and influence. Yes. You know, they, like, kinda said, well, there were excesses in personified in the Nazis. You know? But if if if you look at the stuff that's happening now, I mean, depending on, you have to come up with criteria for, you know, measuring these things in a in a system to do, like, a apples to apples comparison when they're separated by, you know, a 100, you know, not quite a 100 in some instances. But and, you know, it's it's as bad or worse now. Speaker 4: It it really is because it's not, it's to me, it's a it's a godless thing. It's a complete disregard for the value, the intrinsic value of human life, And it is it's not confined to one country or one villain. It is it's global. It's supranational, and it is, that's why it's so mind boggling because you can't point your finger. You know? It's it's it used to be cold war to the Russians. You know? It's it's not that anymore. It's a it's a much bigger, enemy on on scale as far as you can't identify, and that is the hard part. You realize that it's it's, it's much more difficult to pin down, and I think it is because life is not valued. And and they are literally godless human beings who devalue completely the rest of humanity. Speaker 5: That's Romans one kind of stuff. Speaker 4: Very much so. And I think that's why it's so hard, you know, to for unless you're aware of the fact that, you know, we've been told that the world would come to this, it's very hard to process it. Speaker 5: And and Christ told us there would be things like this. Right? I mean, there would be wars and rumors of wars. There would be all sorts of things. And then, finally, Speaker 4: the end would would finally come. Yeah. I mean, just a quote. It says there'll be lovers of pleasures, having a form of godliness, but lacking the power thereof. Meaning, you know, they don't they don't have love for the rest of humanity. Love themselves. They want what they want. Essentially, they're egocentric, soulless beings that wanna dominate the rest of the world. Speaker 13: And if you look at what's happened to the birth rate cratering, the, life expectancy is down two to four years, which, you know, if you go back and you, go back to, again, the state of reality in 02/2019, the idea that you would have a black swan event where life expectancy decreases by two to four years, there was a it was taken as as as a matter of faith Yes. Based on science that that life expectancy would would continue to increase. And now I think what you're seeing is and it's beginning to emerge where you're having, like, you know, the the life expectancy for the proles is plummeting, and then there's, like, a a new, you know, what the Nazis would call a superhuman race, of halves that are gonna get the benefit of all these life extension technologies, you know, expanding in other dimensions or I don't even know, like there's all kinds of theories on this stuff, and I one of the reasons I think it may a lot of it may be real is because all these, these declassified reports. You know, there there's a there's a whole series by the top scientists in the eighties that was commissioned by the CIA in terms of what happens to people when they die. You know? That, in many respects is is consistent with, actually, not just Christianity, but but other other, religions, particularly like, religions based in in in, East Asia. But, again, all this stuff, I wasn't much troubled by this in 02/2019. I thought, you know, all the structures kinda made sense to me, but we hadn't and I was, I was opposed I was opposed to the global war on terror in terms of, and I really didn't buy into it, at the time. But I thought that from a risk analysis perspective, Western nations have have to develop systems that, you know, if there's a 100 shots on goal, they can block a 100 shots on goal. And I wasn't the person who was an elected representative responsible for all these lives. So I said it's well, I guess it's kind of a a logical it's it's an overreach, but, apparently, it's a logical overreach, and it'll come back, and our systems will, you know, prevail and all this stuff. And now I'm just thinking that I see it much more cynically, and I was cynical at the time. I got involved and went over I know I I I did the civil rule of law piece, from 2001 through 02/2012. And I would I guess my I would say my position was that well, the the government committed itself in this way. It shouldn't have, but it did. So you have to make sure that, you know, you finish your tumbling routine and and you get a good score from the judges. You don't wanna have you don't wanna have a withdrawal like you had in 1975. Shouldn't have gone into Vietnam. That was a you know, the Gulf Of Tonkin, I mean, that's just a and you were we repeat the same like, the the blueprint for going into Vietnam bears so many striking resemblances to the blueprint for for the war on terror. It's really you know? And then the fall of Saigon is '75. The hasty withdrawal from Iraq, destabilizing Syria, taking out the government in Libya, losing, Afghanistan, you know, the way we did, which but, you know, I just see it as all just and now I see it as we're really not and then the the the against the backdrop of all this insanity that we're engaged in overseas with these hot wars and then just destabilizing governments all over the place. Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the goal again is to destabilize everything and have, you know, one world system. I think, you know, you gotta tear it down before you put what you want in place. And I think that is the overarching goal is, you know, reduce population so we can control everything. Speaker 9: And, Speaker 4: of course, they're not going to succeed, but that is their motivation. I think that's why we poisoned humanity with the gain of function viral bioweapon that is COVID. I think that's why we, you know, developed the countermeasure of the injectable bioweapon. I mean, it it to me, it looks all very intentional to set up their their full system with a much smaller population and have, you know, technology to be able to run it, you don't need as many people. I think it's very, very purposeful and intentional. Speaker 5: Welcome to Babble. That's what you're talking about. That's what you're talking about is another babble. Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's very, very intentional. And if you listen to Yuval Noah Noah Harari talk, he see point blank says that. You know? He says that, you know, with being attached to the Internet of things and, you know, the digital world that you you know, there's he says there's no god and that they will be gods and that there'll be a much smaller population, and he'll keep them pacified with drugs and, video games, you know, virtual reality, etcetera. That literally is the mindset of these literal evil godless people because they intend to be God. Speaker 3: And they're you know, you you mentioned that, you know, the the virtual reality thing that they're literally you know, people are getting their kids those virtual reality goggles. Mhmm. Speaker 4: Over my dead body. Speaker 3: Over my dead body too. My grandson, his my daughter and his dad are divorced, but he he bought him one couple years ago knowing that she didn't want him to have it. And it it altered his, the way he behaved, and and it wasn't even as bad as it is now. But, like, like, people have to understand, like, they're in that virtual world. The some of the things that kids are are left to explore with those virtual reality goggles are things, and they can get into it. Nobody's checking their ID to see if they're 18 or over, but they have gang rape rooms. They have all these different reality worlds. They have, like, this reality world where, you know, you step out. It looks like different scenarios. Like, one of them where you step out of an elevator and and you're on the top of a building and there's people down below saying jump, jump, jump. Yep. Like, it's all these little scenarios, these these fantasy scenarios. And they're like a totally different person when they take it off. And I'll tell my grandson's, it didn't take very long before that thing to go missing. Speaker 4: Exactly. You know, and that's what they want. They want to disengage people from reality. So Yeah. So that they don't engage them, so that we don't engage the real enemy, so that we're the same, and so we're conquered. So we're you know Yeah. This this is a purposeful strategy. Speaker 3: They can be anything. They can be, you know, a man, a woman, a a dog, a cat. They can be anything. They can do whatever they want. They there's no consequences in in the and and their their kids are living this shit out. I mean so when they said that they were gonna get them I mean, yeah, think about how many people mindlessly play video games and are not prepared for the things that are coming at them. We are a very easily subdued society in every event that happens to include the pandemic and all of the things that that are, you know, the pandemic, the, you know, the the, basically, the destruction of our economy that's going on. There's so many things that are going on, and the American people are just like, okay. But as long as I as long as it doesn't end throughout my, you know, raid night or my game night or my movie or the the next binge the next series that I'm binge watching on Netflix or whatever. Get rid of all that shit. Get rid of cable. Get rid of, you know, the you can't you can't afford it from a from a freedom. You're just gonna hand over your kids and your grandkids' future in this country, their freedoms for these little trinkets of things that aren't gonna matter. They're not gonna get you into heaven. They're not going to they don't enrich your life. Oh, will I enjoy them? You know, it gives me an escape from real yeah. That's exactly what they want. They want you to key oh, the escape from reality. Yeah. Speaker 4: They they want to you know? You by distracting you. They pass away by distracting you. They also condition kids to, oh, if I do this long enough, then I get this many points, and then I can redeem it for this, this, this. And then that Yeah. Right back into it again because you've got all these new things that you can use to stay inside that. And Yeah. And it it's it's just it totally removes you from the reality that you need to be seeing and the background that you have in front of you. And it I'm so thankful that, you know, I both my boys say that when they were little, they just could not they hated my father their father and me because I would not allow them to Yeah. And I made my oldest throw away his Game Boy that his grandmother gave him because they were fighting over it. And I said, go put it in the trash because they could not tell me. I said, what's more important, the Game Boy or your brother? They couldn't say it, so I had him throw it away. And they said, when do we get it back? I said, that would be never. And anything that you prioritize over your brother or another human being, it's gone. You will never get it back. And that's what humanity they prioritize things over people. We've been conditioned to do that. Pleasure, games, things, p that's you know, getting to do what you want to do in the moment for that instant gratification is now what humanity is interested in. Speaker 3: It's Yep. Exactly. And we and and they counted they they counted on that taking effect during I mean, look at all the things, just all the overstepping they've done and, you know, political prisoners in DC, the pandemic. They've killed, I mean, so many over a million people, the shots, whatever. And we just Speaker 4: We're sleep We just yeah. We march We're not vigilant to use the biblical word. It says be sober and be vigilant. Be aware Yeah. Of your surroundings because the system is like a lion seeking to devour you, to suck you in because it it wants to put you to sleep. It wants to pacify you so that it can accomplish its goals. Speaker 3: Yep. Absolutely. Speaker 4: And we can't be pacified. We have to be roaring lions. We have to be loud. We have to speed up. Speaker 3: Yeah. And we can't be all like, oh, well but I like you know, we're we're we're weak because we like our pleasures. We like our comforts. We like our, you know, like, you know, I I don't wanna lose that Facebook friend. I don't wanna not get invited to the party. I I don't I don't wanna give up getting my nails and my feet done. I don't wanna give up my latte. I don't wanna give up my conveniences. I know that this company gives money to the globalist, but, you know, I have to have it. So we we are the we're we're actually we could you know, like, we can blame a lot of people, but we're actually the authors of our own demise. We're we're not just the authors of our own demise. We're funding our own demise and happily because we can get a this or that. Right? We can get we can get these comforts in these things and these yeah. I mean, Speaker 4: it's so sad. We're seriously addicted to the system. Speaker 3: And Oh my gosh. It Ellen Gail. Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. I wait. Can can I say something on that? Yeah. It's the most dangerous man in Washington. How how Shut your mouth. Are you still? Speaker 4: Hey, Scott. Secrets. How are you, Scott? Speaker 1: I so I I I had a it was a fun I had a just a wonderful interview with Mary Mary doctor doctor Bowden, today. She's just so fun because it's fun to talk to providers that have been, like, like, overtly attacked because we get to commiserate. It's like, I know. Right? Like, it's Right. It's super it's super fun. It's like they're shooting bullets at you, and you're, like, die I mean, they're mind bullets, so they're, you know, like, physically harmless. I mean, professionally, they can. But it's just so fun to to be able to talk to people that you know, like, when I saw her standing outside of the hospital not giving a shit well, giving a shit, but being unapologetic. Right? Like because it's scary. It's scary to do. Like, people watch it, and they're like, why didn't other people do this? I'm like, people don't understand the literal rain of hell that comes down on you. Like, you have to have a serious come to Jesus moment when you're doing it. But what you were talking about I mean, and I don't want this to come across as as callous or or not, you know, like, not understanding what we've been through. We haven't even gotten to hard. And I've said it in 2020, in '21, in '22. I mean, when we look at, like, biblically, what we as as believers in Christ are going to have to to go through, We haven't even broached hard. And this is and I don't wanna get weird, but it's like this is the latter rain. Like, this is where we are being tested Right. To see where our metal in our faith is right now. And if That's right. We if we can't if if we don't live our faith daily and stand up daily and profess truth and faith daily, we're like, how are we gonna be prepared? Like, how are we gonna have the armor of God later on if we're not strapped in it now? Speaker 3: Right. Exactly. I say it all the time. If you're gonna if you're gonna take the battle to the gates of hell, which you're gonna have to do, then you better be sitting at the feet of Jesus every morning and, and whenever else you need to to have that respite and and that help in in troubled times because it it is written. If you are a believer and if you're not a believer, then you probably don't. You're probably, like, rolling your eyes right now. But if you are a believer and you and you know scripture, then you know that just as Christ went through his passion, so shall the church go through their passion Speaker 1: before the end of the day. But Gail, the church went I mean, like, we watched the churches across the country go through it. What did the churches do? Half of them No. I'm I'm not talking about I'm talking about the church. I know what you're I know what you're saying, but it's I'm just saying, like, that that's metaphorically, but it's like we want our churches closed down. Yeah. Yeah. Our students but yeah. Like, I mean, but you're right. You're right. Speaker 3: You saw a lot of you saw a lot of them bend the knee to to the state, and I it doesn't bother me some let me tell you something. It doesn't bother me as much if they were if they that they were forced to Speaker 1: Hold on. It bothers me. Hold on. Let me finish. I'm I am I am jumping at this. I want you to finish what you're saying because I know there's just crap all over you in fun. Go ahead. No. No. Let me finish. It doesn't bother me Speaker 3: as much that that if they if there's if the city came in and shut them for that they're they're not they're obligated to stand up against sin against sin. And, and if they accommodate it in some way or the other. However, what I have a more of a problem with is the churches that push the shot, the churches that separated the flock, the churches that forced masks, the churches that forced vaccinated and unvaccinated to be separated because there were a lot of them. And there were a lot of big names in there that you would that's that were surrounded or, sorry, big names that surrounded Trump in his presidency, that bothered me to see people like Jeffers and all of those people, many of them that were surrounding him, or part of his group when they started separating their flock to the to this day, there are there are churches, who make vaccinated and unvaccinated sit in separate areas. Can you freaking believe it? Speaker 1: Okay. So let me so we had we had this kind of, like, existential, you know, kind of an existential crisis discussion. Not an existential crisis, but, like, with the be like, you and I had this discussion. It was on a site, but it was like the the nurses, you know, like the people in the, you know, intensive care where it's like they knew what was going on. And and my I was backing them in the context of, like, after they saw it, like, could they stop it? No. Did they quit? No. But, like, the ones that came and and volunteered with me and and saved, like, hundreds and hundreds of lives. So the churches right? So so if we're gonna if we're gonna kinda crap on health care workers, which we should ish, sort of. But what about the leaders of these churches that are I mean, like, I left our I left our church, and I went to church on the rock. Like, at 10 church. Like, I literally left our church, my denomination, that which I grew up with because of their because of their policies. And I'm like, you cannot be in Christ. You cannot like, what you're saying is so antithetical to to scripture. Like, you are bowing to the government. And they're like, I had to leave it. And I did it, like, like, unapologetically. Speaker 3: Yeah. But let me tell you why it's not it's not the same thing. And I do think you should've left it. I do think that that that you really got to see what your what what the shepherds were made of during that. But the the shepherds were always made of that, and and they have an they have an obligation they have an obligation to to shepherd the soul, and they not necessarily to keep a building open. Right? So their job, regardless of what the city or the state said that they had to do with their building, they had they had an obligation to continue to shepherd the soul and to continue to be there for their people, and they could do that even if they shut down the building. That's a far cry from, I know the drug is gonna kill somebody. That that means that means Speaker 1: when they do that, that means that they're buying into the lie. Speaker 3: Not necessarily for the first two weeks. Did you expect them to know like, I don't even have a problem here. About '20 I'm talking about 2021, Speaker 1: like a year in. Yeah. Nobody was told. Still our church was still was still I mean, it was Washington state. Our church would still like, they didn't allow singing. They didn't like, if you were unvaccinated. Speaker 3: I mean You lived in a communist country. Like, I mean, you can't I'm just kidding. No. But you you lived in like, yeah. That that was should they have fought after two weeks, after four weeks, after whatever, they absolutely they should have. But you know what? A church a church is, then then the church is empty. Right? So, like, I like, I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. Not that I think I think this you know, like, Dallas County. Dallas County shut everything down. Not even churches could be open. Ours just happened to, I go to a traditional Latin mass. I go to a tradition traditional Orthodox Latin church, so it wasn't closed. It it they did baptisms. They did all the things. They they they wrote, you know, they wrote the line. Right? But they they did all the things, and they were very good shepherds through this. In fact, our priest sent out immediately sent out an email, a message to all of the parishioners saying we have entered very dangerous times when this when the state believes that they can shut down a church, and gave a lot of instructions for, you know, when to be civilly disobedient, what those consequences might mean, Speaker 1: why we are called to do it, all of these things. Right? He immediately, they sent it out. But but that's a singular like, so you have a singular church that's doing that, which is extraordinary. Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. Let me let me let me go on a little bit. So what happened was the churches so churches that complied, right, drove people to the, Orthodox traditional, very traditional church. And those people never walked into a traditional Latin church in their life, and they fell in love with it. And they fell in love with the truth. And they fell in even though it sounded hard when our pre safe hard things that are true, they fell in love with it. We can't so we cannot like, we have to go to mass 45 early just to get a seat. And we have five priests that say mass now, where a lot of the churches that close have one, and they have three masses. We have five priests, and we have nine masses said during the day. Like, it is because and and they're trying to build another church so that they can accommodate the thousands of people that fled to and and and and found this good thing. That so and it's the same in the Protestant churches. There's there's Protestant churches in the Dallas area that closed and churches that didn't. And there's and there was a flood that way too. And so people the ones the ones that that But let me ask you. So deal the ones that bid the deal will go out of business. That's just the way it is. They'll close. And that's good that they close. That's a good thing that that bad that hirelings hirelings, as the Bible calls them, that don't care about the soul of the sheep or the soul of their their flock, that maybe were fleecing their flock. There's a lot of churches that close down or that are that are no longer no longer have the people coming there that were they were fleecing their flock anyways. So it's a good thing when when weak pastors and weak churches closed because the people because they're creating mediocre, lukewarm Christians. And what does Christ say about that? Vomit. I will spit I will vomit lukewarm yep. Yep. Out of my mouth. It is worse to be it is a worse it is worse to be a lukewarm Christian than it is to not be a believer at all because the because you know better and you're choosing you're making a choice not to do it. And so all of these weak churches that closed was a blessing. Oh, yeah. A blessing. It's a blessing. And it's very different it's very different than than nurses and doctors who knew drugs were killing people and chose to continue to do it or or are you know what I mean? Because they're not they're they're not just being indifferent where they're like, I'm not gonna give it one way or the other. I'm not gonna help, and I'm not gonna hurt. They're hurting. Right? So, Speaker 1: we're But you're you're talking about a narrow like, when you're talking about churches, right, if we look across the board, across the nation, it's similar to like, we can say it in the same context of of medical clinics, urgent cares, hospitals. Right? So you've I mean, I what I'm saying is, like, there needs to be, you know, kind of a unanimity of of of speaking up. And when when I watch, like, I still see certain churches that are prolific still. Yeah. So why why some of these things, and it's like like, why don't we hold them to the same standard? Like, why don't we hold those leaders, the leadership to the same standards that we hold Because it's these hospitals and doctors. Because it's apples and oranges. It's like if a business gives you bad customer service or they're or okay. You take your TV to be fixed and they break it. If somebody comes to me and they say hold on. If somebody comes to me, like or in the past and they said, Scott, should I give my my six month old the COVID shot and I say yes? Are are they gonna do it? The answer is yes. Why? Because I created a trust within my community. So if I said yes, which if I did, just freaking shoot me and and and and the stupidity that just came out of my mouth so I save lives. But if I say yes, I'm accountable to that. Speaker 3: Well, do you think that those pastors those pastors that lead somebody to hell, that lead them to hell skipping, they are held very accountable. It's just at a different time in their life. They But nobody's holding them accountable for it. That's not true. They're not they because the church is not obligated. Right? The church is not something that is so the the church, they are responsible to God for how they shepherd. What does it say about pre about priests and pastors and those types of people, the leaders of the the elders, the presbytery the presbyters of the church, the ministers of the church that better a millstone be tied around their neck than if they lead one of the children astray. Right? So so the and they are it also says in the Bible that they are held to a higher standard, a higher standard than we are to know the truth and to you know? So if somebody chooses to be in the role of a pastor and they, and they don't do they don't do the morally courageous things that they're required to do, and they don't teach you know, if they don't lead their flock well and protect their flock well, they're held to the ultimate accountability, the ultimate standard. They're going they will likely spend eternity in a place that wasn't created for human beings but created for demons, and that is hell. And they will have chosen to do that. But the state, the government, the you know, you're not, there so I think if doctors and nurses knew a drug was going to kill the patients, they're watching patients die, they know it, then they should be held accountable because they did it for money. And they it's no different than if they killed somebody with a bullet in the brain. Like, it's it's actually more cruel. So they should be held accountable. If somebody didn't know, if somebody was like, well, you know, these are what the I read you know, I did my due diligence. I read the studies. I, you know, believed that this was a good thing or a positive thing or helpful thing and they didn't know, then, no. Of course, they shouldn't be held legally responsible. They're gonna have to live with the fact that their their ignorance or their, well, I mean, I don't wanna say ignorance because there's I I do understand how the medical community has been conditioned to read the studies, to get the publications, and, you know, Huckleberry tells me all the time. I'm just saying from the pulpit, if you're espousing Speaker 1: certain things as as absolutes, like, you must do this or it's it's encouraged. If you're espousing something, that means that you have like, if you're doing that But they're not giving they're the trust that you have in with the with your parishioners. Right? If you're espousing that, then and they they trust you, then you like, you better be absolute in what you're saying. But you And if you're not, then you're leading them astray. Speaker 3: People of course. But people also have an obligation. I have an obligation to know to to do my own research and know bullshit when I hear it. Like, I like, even even when it comes to the if if doctors are reading the studies and they're like, I think you should do this and I think you should do that, and I'm gonna I'm gonna order this. That's why I tell people all the time. Call your doctor. What will you give me if I have COVID? And if they tell you anything but ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and budesonide, get yourself a new doctor. If you don't get, yourself a new doctor always say colchicine. Yep. Say colchicine. If you don't get yourself a new doctor and they're like, oh, I'd give you Paxlovid or, you know, Remdesivir or whatever or any other thing, any other experimental you don't know what else they're bought out for. You don't know what else they're lying to you about. And if you don't get a new doctor, that's on you. That's on what we, the people, have to take you know, we as individuals have to take some responsibility for ourselves. We can't just point our fingers. We need to get off our asses and do some research. And we need to be responsible for asking good questions. If if we haven't learned that in the last four years, shame on us. You know the old saying, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. So that so everybody call your doctor. You got a doctor. Call him. You know how many doctors? I don't even have a doctor right now. Doctor Bain like, I'll I'll go to a doc in the loop. I'll go to doctor Bain if I need something because I don't trust any other doctor. I'll call you and ask you what you think. Like, I you know, I'm every single doctor we've called that we had, in our circle of doctors was a foolishly followed Speaker 1: still was a little bit of science. This way. But before like, I always have a a thing. Before Gail calls me, I tell her to make sure to not call me when I'm microdosing because sometimes I'm on a I'm on a a vision quest, and I'll say some really weird shit. And I'm like, don't don't do that. Don't. And so, like, I we I do have a disclaimer. I have it on my on my on my app, that reminds me, don't say anything to Gail while you're while you're on a vision quest. But so that's anyways, outside of that, I give her good advice. Speaker 3: Great advice. I tell people all the time, Scott, I would trust you with my grandchildren's lives. That's how much I think you're done on. Speaker 1: Yeah. And I just wanna, have a disclaimer. I I don't do, microdosing. It just sounds fun to say to people that, you know, wanna you know, like, he's an idiot. So it's fun to Yeah. You know, just shut up. I'm I'm gonna shut up. Not you. I'm done. Speaker 3: Right now, there's a bunch of people clutching their pearls as we speak, but Speaker 1: what's it? Gail, I mean, like, when I was talking when I was talking to doctor Bowden, and I was like, at any point, like, please, like, direct like, use your staff and rod. Like, direct me from my stupidity because I'll go off tangentially. And she she started laughing. She's like, oh, sweet lord, when we went to a break. And and, but, you know, what you were saying I mean, we can't I mean, I got calls this week about strep throat. I mean, I got calls this week. I I had people coming over to my home with pinkeye, and what the doctor told them was crazy. Like, my mind it was, you know, it was it was, you know, a teenager, but I'm like, what they told them was so stupefying. And I'm like, what what has literally happened to not not not our complex health system, but the basics, like, the very basics. Like, what they told her to do for an eye that was swollen shut was it it it didn't make any sense. Like, fifteen years of pediatric medicine and doing adult medicine, what they said didn't make sense, and it didn't help, and it didn't work. And I'm not gonna say that I did anything, but somebody else, maybe somewhere in our home did something. And within a couple days, like, it was gone. We we were able to make it go away. Not we. Somebody else made it go away. But how is it that our medical system can't fix something so simple? Like, we're I mean, we're literally in a in a crisis situation. Speaker 3: You know what farmers do for pink guy? Breast milk. Speaker 1: Oh, oh, the well and that's what mothers do with babies that have it. But but we you know, when like, listen. I'm not lactating right now because I'm I'm I'm his his, him, her, chief, and maybe. Like, I have a maybe, which is, you know, a questionable where sometimes I think maybe, but it never happens unless I get super excited. But it's still not it's I'm not lactating. But, yeah, you're right. I mean, that's that's the beauty of the immune system. But, I mean, our our medical system is is morally bankrupt. Speaker 9: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. It is. Speaker 1: And I'm not lactating, by the way. Him, her. I Speaker 3: man, that is good because I'm like I see Chris got his hand up. Chris, do you do you got is it a question for Scott? Speaker 6: Well, yeah. I, well, first of all, there's a guy I've been trying to text for a couple of days. I don't know if his number changed or what. Yeah. But I I wanted to get his take on IVIG, if possible. Speaker 1: For what? For I mean, like, I mean, so IDP? Oh, jeez. What's going on? Speaker 6: Well, that's what my neurologist tells me I have. I I look it up, and it this they say it's related to Guillain Barre, which doctor Bain said, oh, I don't know about that. This might be more long COVID related. The timing is, you know, curious but because I I started having problems about two and a half years ago. So I, you know, he might be on to something there, but I I don't I'm kinda worried about the IVIG. And I know I I we talked about this earlier, but I was like, oh, Scott's on. Speaker 1: Well, I guess so one of the things when we're talking about any type of demyelination, right, when we're talking about myelin sheath Right. You know, one of the things is okay. What are things that support or or or at least inhibit further further degradation of myelin sheath, but what are things that support the myelin sheath? Especially, like, do you have so often with that, you've got, like like, neuropathies or tingling or numbness and especially in the extremities. Yes. Speaker 6: Are you having that? Oh, yeah. I I, it started, you know, about two and a half years ago, and it's just gotten worse since since then. Speaker 1: What what it would so so I I mean, I don't wanna say I'm a fan of I IVIG, and is that going to reverse it? Not that alone because you still have to support the the underlying mechanisms that are so you've got pro inflammatory cytokines that are causing the breakdown of the myelin sheath. And and so it and I'm Gail, you can shut me up anytime. Then we have to look at, like, t h one and t h two immunity and pro inflammatory cytokines. So, like, you don't need to know that. But just, like, why is it happening? Like, if we don't look at why it's happening, if we're not looking at the foundational reasons that these things are happening Like, all the meds and listen. I am a huge fan of putting a tourniquet on something or bandaging something initially to stop the stop further, you know, like, trauma. Speaker 3: But if we Fauci's neck. Like, you like, a turn turn a kid around Fauci's neck to stop. Speaker 1: See? Like, yes. That's different than I what I'm talking about, but I'm a huge, huge fan of that. Me too. But if if if we don't look at the underlying causality, like, how are we gonna heal it? Because, like, what what what do we need to do to to to look at I mean, when we look at when we look at the neuropathies, like, what are things that are often deficient? You know, if you if you do a basic Google on b one, on thiamine and b twelve, not cyanocobalamin, but methylcobalamin. And you look at how because we think of and and people would be like, he's talking about supplements or vitamins. And and Gail's heard me say this. It's like, and I'm gonna say this and I'll shut up. If you were hungry and I put a plate of food down in front of you and you ate it, and I came back twenty minutes later and I gave you another big plate of food and you said, well, I'm I'm satiated. I'm I'm full. I wouldn't be like, that's crazy. We'd be like, well, okay. That makes sense. Because a a whole a whole stream of things happened chemically and metabolically that went from your gut to your brain that said, I'm good. Like, you don't eat till you vomit. But we don't think about that in terms of the metabolic needs for our system. Like, all of these things that are needed for all of the the biochemical pathways to be able to to work effectively or efficiently. And thiamine is huge in that, like stroke victims, dementia, you know, these things. It's like you do but but it's not like a 100. It's like twelve hundred milligrams. It's like actual therapeutic doses, but no one does therapeutic doses. Like, if you were like, I have a headache, and it's like, yeah. Take twenty mill or I have a fever. And I'm not saying that you're supposed to make the fever go away. But if I said take twenty milligrams of Motrin, like, what? Twenty milligrams? Like, the the bottle the the tablet that I got is six hundred milligrams. But but if if we don't like, if you really break down what our system needs, Mo most people, and by most, like, eighty to eighty five percent of people in The United States are in metabolic dysfunction. That's that's an actual fact. I may have just made that up. Maybe seventy. But, so when you're talking about, you know, like, either polyneuropathies, things like that, if you're not doing things that are supporting the, like, neuronal func not just neuronal function, but but inhibiting or or or a stasis of the breakdown of the myelin sheath, like IVIG can be a stopgap, but it's not gonna fix it. So so the question is what labs have they done? Like, what have they done to look at, like, VEGF and TNF alpha? And, you know, like like, those things. Like, so what labs have they run for you? Speaker 6: Well, I had a bunch of blood work, done. I I sent that to doctor Bain. He mentioned some kind of study that they're doing or something like that. I need to get more information from him on that, but Speaker 1: I I don't know. You rattled off a bunch of terms that just No. No. No. No. I apologize. I was just I was just, like, just just it wasn't for you to know. I'm I was just like, my mind like, when you said that, I I'm just thinking through it because the the first things that in my in my head, I'm looking at you know, I'm thinking about, like and and I apologize, but and and I can send this to Gail, but it's like the first thing that came to my mind was, like, TGF beta one signaling. That was the first thing that came to my mind when we were looking at that type of thing. And what are, like, the antioxidants that can help with that? And it's omegas, omega three, like EPA and DHA. And and and, again, like, it's it's not a prescription, so nobody's gonna tell you about that. But getting four to six thousand milligrams of of omega threes, you know, EPA to DHA is super critical for neuronal health. Methylene blue. People are like, oh, that's used for, you know, dyeing your blue jeans blue. I I mean, I drink methylene blue every day. And I do it for neuronal functioning because I've had thirty eight concussions. And people are like, well, that's insane. And I'm like, I know. So I do that every single day. I drink methylene blue, and I turn a red light on. And I beam it at my body, and it hyperactivates the the cytochrome c oxidase in my brain, in in in the in my nervous system, and it's it's it's powerful. Nobody talks about it. And if you bring it up, they're like, well, that's crazy. It's like, no, it's not. It's not. If you look at doctor France Francisco Lima Gonzalez's studies on methylene blue and and, like, repairing the nervous system, repairing myelin sheath, repairing how the the nervous system is able to to communicate. Like like, neurons are able to communicate with each other. It's fascinating. It's brilliant, but nobody talks about it. Why? Because you can order it over the counter. It's not a prescription. Polyphenols, like, nobody talks about, like, like green tea, like, epigalactic cation kinase or epigalactic cytokine. Are you like TGCG or GCTG? I don't know because I never have to say the word, but it's like green tea extract or resveratrol. Like, these things help repair neuronal functioning. And if you Google it on NIH, it will blow your mind. And you're you'd be like, how come nobody has told me about this? How come my doctor has never said anything about omegas or EGCG or resveratrol or or or methylene blue. There's no money in it. There's no money. They don't get any kickbacks. There's no money. So you're just left with your shoulders up going, well, what do I do now? And so it's super important to to get specific labs. But it's but with those labs, like, especially with TGF beta one in your situation, but, like, you need to have somebody that's championing alternative ways for your system to heal. Speaker 3: Does that answer it for you, Chris? Speaker 6: Yeah. That one's a lot of good information. Speaker 1: Well, Scott's full of it. Yeah. So so Yeah. You know why? Be full of it. So here here's here's I here's what I would say. If you have quite like, if you and, Gail, I don't wanna put this on you. But if you put your information in, I will I will send you I I will reach out to you and send you the things that I have done to help people that have been dealing with, what I would like whether it's I mean, I've dealt with ascending paralysis and and polyneuropathies, etcetera, etcetera. But there are I mean, I I am I've gotten to the point over the last five years now where there is like, I don't believe like, where there there's, like, well, there's nothing else we can do, or this is just where we're at. Mhmm. No. Nope. No. No. There's always there's I don't wanna say always. There's almost always a way to reheal the system. Speaker 4: Scott, may I, just sort of, like, say something and also get your input on it briefly about this. I just wanna let people or let Chris know in particular that, you know, especially with neurological things, you have to stick with the strategies too for a period of time because myelin sheaths and nerve regenerates at a very slow pace. So it's people come to expect, you know, this okay. I'll do it for a week. I'll do it for two weeks, and I'm gonna see this big change. So that's something else that Scott will probably tell you that it requires a period of time too for the healing as well. Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a like, for that, it's a six to nine month process where I mean, like, depending on the severity of the breakdown. I mean, it it really is a six to nine month process. I've seen, like, for my father-in-law where he literally had ascending paralysis or he couldn't walk and then he couldn't speak or they thought he was having a stroke. It took a few weeks, but we went maximum. I mean, like, maximum maximum where where most people would you know, they would never do what we did, but he was my father-in-law. And I was like, I'm I'm going, like, cannon, like, balls to the wall. Right. And, you know, within three weeks, he wasn't just I mean, he was walking within three days. Like, he he went from comfort care in the hospital, and by comfort care, I mean, like, him dying, to three days later, he walked out of the hospital and his speech had returned. He wasn't, like, he wasn't, like, giddy up. He's better. And he was 82, so, obviously, you know, there's age. But, you know, within a month, he was back working in the ED in the ER. In a month, he was back working in the ER. That's crazy sauce. So is there hope? Absolutely. But, like, it requires consistent dedication to the process of of healing. Speaker 4: Yep. Exactly. And that's I think that's you know, you're you're right. I think people get underdosed for the conditions that they have, as far as, you know, the the remedies that you were talking about. And number two, they don't get the support that they need to be consistent. And then number three, sometimes if there's a bad enough process going on, it's been going on for a longer period of time. People don't they don't tell them that to expect that it's going to be a bit of time. It's not going to be tomorrow or the next day. And so they aren't consistent, and they don't hang in there. Just so you know, I mean, the the the medical establishment doesn't even do EMG and CVs, but once every six months because it's that slow of a process for regeneration, especially if you have an active, autoimmune process going on that hasn't been managed yet. That's where Scott was talking about root causes. You have to not only give the body the things that it needs to heal itself, but you also have to try to stop the process that was producing the damage to begin with. Yeah. It's a two pronged approach. So that's why people's responses are very different because a lot of times, the medical establishment doesn't get to the root cause, and then they also don't give the body what it needs to regenerate. And you don't educate the patient about the realistic expectations and the dedication that it takes to the process to make that happen. So I just wanted to mention that because I see that a lot as a physical therapist. The people people don't get the information they need. They don't have the tools they need, and then they don't understand what the process is either. Speaker 1: I I'm gonna second that wholeheartedly. It's there's no no silver bullet. There's no magical fix. It's there there's a a lot of things that go I mean, I, you know, I I've had a number of injuries, and it wasn't like, I didn't just go to, you know, my surgeon that repaired me. And then I just went home. I went to the surgeon that repaired me, and then I went to PT and OT and and chiropractic. I mean, it was, I mean, it was a lot. Like, it was it was like a part time job, you know, repairing my body. And if we don't look at it as that, if we don't look at it in that context where it's like we wanna just take a pill or or do one or two things of, like, no. It's it's not. We're it we we're looking at the I don't know how old you are, but you're looking at decades of your body being exposed to environmental toxins and possibly in your home toxins and toxins that have been sprayed on the food that you eat. Right? Like, all of these things that that we're not told about are we like, oh, that's the that that's not real. It's real. You know, I did I did a total tox burden on myself. Like, I did a lab, a total tox burden. I was like, holy Hannah. Like, the phthalates and all of these things that like, in the medical profession, I went to dental school. So it's like all the stuff that I was exposed to in dental lab, the mercury and amalgams, all this stuff. It's like your body absorbs all of that. Like, we absorb everything that's in the environment. And if if we're not able to to bind it, break it down, and get rid of it, we we're holding on to it. Our rain barrel of toxins builds up. And what's it gonna do? Just like a type two diabetic, what happens if they're not mean to you know, like, managing it? They're you know, sugar is, you know, flooding through their their their blood vessels, and it's, like, nicking the blood vessels, and it's damaging it. And, you know, so you have amputations. Like, amputations, right, because of sugar. But we don't talk about the toxins. And so it's really, really important when we get to the point, like, what you're talking about where there's actual nerve damage and myelin sheath breakdown. If if you don't have somebody that's running labs to look at what's happening with your vasculature, what's happening with the nervous system, then you're you're flying dark. Like, you're you're you're flying, you know, under the hood without without VFR. You're you're kind of you're screwed if you don't have that because everybody's just guessing. Like, I would be guessing. Like, I know like, I know unequivocally that you're b one deficient. I know that. Like, that's a no duh. You are. I'm positive. You probably need to be taking, you know, upwards of a thousand milligrams of thiamine or benfotiamine. But outside of that, there's other things that are causing damage to your nervous system. And you need somebody that knows what the hell they're doing to run these labs so that they can direct you appropriately. Speaker 6: Okay. Sounds good. Is the 559361 number no good? Or Speaker 1: No. I that that that that one's so my Don't give it out. Oh, shit. No. Not Don't give it out. Speaker 3: You're this is recorded. Yeah. This is recorded, and, yeah, don't give it out. Yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah. So so feel free to to connect him. And so, you know, give him my email, and I will listen. I'm I can't promise anything apart from they're like, healing is possible. It's real, and there isn't one pill. But, like, I've watched I've watched people that have gone from not being able to speak to, like, fully recovering their speech within, you you know, six weeks, etcetera, etcetera. For the first thing is I want you to have hope, not blind blind hope, but hope because we were built to recover. Speaker 3: Yeah. So, yeah, we'll I'll connect you too. Chris, you have my number too. Right? It I mean, you can text me 972 I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna give my number out. But, but we can connect. I think you have it. But if not, tell people to Speaker 6: Yeah. We are. Not, somebody I had somebody They're they're not hard to get a get a hold of. Speaker 3: Yeah. I will, I'll connect you too. Speaker 1: Alright. Gail, just give Gail, just give him give him my email address. Yeah. And he can email me, and I'll connect with him and and do everything I can to help him. Speaker 3: K. You bet your ass. I will. I have I wanna go to who is next, Chelsea? Is it I see Luke has his hand up, but I didn't know if anybody was before him. Let's go to Luke. Luke? Speaker 12: Hello. How are you? For the last one year, I've been working as a, unqualified paralegal because no one else was doing the job on a court case in Arizona that has a lot to do with COVID. Okay? This court case could could turn into the Panama Papers of who faked what which which elites faked their COVID vaccination. Okay? What what what we've uncovered is that CVS store 9314 Glendale Ave Finks was, someone in there was fabricating COVID vaccination histories Speaker 1: Mhmm. Against Speaker 12: an anti vaxxer. Now there's a character called Adam Smith. He, like the last speaker, was claiming that co the symptoms of cove COVID vaccination can be reversed. I'm not endorsing all of that. I I actually found him because I have a completely different area of specialty. I focus in going after satanic cults. And I I what I can say is this COVID researcher, Adam Smith, was targeted by a confirmed member of the auto temporary orientus, and there's all sorts of corruption happening in Arizona. All my records requests are being blocked, and I've been exposed exposing it on my timeline. The the woman that framed him up had testified in court to practicing medicine without a license at Sedona Northern n ahealth.com Northern Area Health, and she I'm not this is not this is not fake news. If you see my most recent tweet, you'll see the receipts for this. She is also a dark, bright fantasy porn star from such films as Jesus the total douchebag made by Bilzebub Productions listed on Internet Movie Database. Okay? She's a real a real piece of work and and and a real a real satanist. And in addition to getting victims comp she claimed victims compensation from the Arizona Criminal Justice Commission for doing a class five felony of practicing medicine without a license. In addition to that, Surana police, after the incident, hired her, a porn star, to work as a traffic controller, and Adam Smith only found out she was working without a license because he had to start she begged him to start her car up because it had a breathalyzer device attached. So, yeah, the this I'm actually I'm actually collaborating with, h s HHS's human rights division who are very nervous about RFK taking over to say that that every single person involved in Adam Smith's case involving his frame up is involved in the ultimate light mission Sedona, and the ultimate light mission is in the newspaper for paper terrorism. They tried to put their satanic candidate in for mayor in Sedona. They they lost. They got sour grapes. So they put a lien on the mayor's house, all the councilmen's houses, the county attorney's house, and, yeah. And and they and they and they got busted for that. And, the the the prop for some strange reason, the the basically, he thought that his his whole case was him about being framed up for being a COVID researcher, and I found out that he was put into this, you know, the you're not meant to get victim's compensation if you're doing class five felonies. And the only the witness against him is best friends with the accuser, and only innocent bystander witnesses can be paid to testify. So I've obtained these scandals. Adam Smith is accused of attempted murder now. Okay? Let me let me but he was allowed to run around America for six months because in his original police interview, he named his ex girlfriend as a member of the auto template orient. That original police interview and the original police interview of Rachel Balinski has not been given to the grand jury, has not been given to Coconut County Superior Court, and was deceptively blocked in fact records request for me when they promised to send it but didn't. I did get a document which said, and sergeant Lauren Leon, who did the interview, uploaded the interview into the police's GETAC. Look this up. This is the system they use to secure evidence on those Axiom video cameras. It was uploaded into that, and it and it's gone it's gone missing. So imagine imagine, you know, this is unprecedented that, you know, the this proves the police, serve a satanic ritual abuse cult. Now one thing I don't know many connections between this woman is a transhumanist and into aliens and all the sort of, you know, new age shit that goes on in Sedona. You have to remember Sedona, Arizona is a hotbed of Satanism because Aleister Crowley's personal secretary, Israel Raschini, died there, and Rachel Belinsky liked her books. So Adam Smith was a guy I knew on Telegram, and he's he's he's famous for this whole Bluetooth gate thing. And as an IT guy, I I'm like in, I'm like in I'm like in denial because, I haven't done the testing myself, but I did tell Adam Smith, hey, look. You can't use a phone to scan for Bluetooth signals promiscuously. I'm an IT guy. You wanna use a Raspberry Pi and this, Texas Instruments device that connects over the, the, I two c bus and, you know, use pre you know, use ten year old firmware before. He's trying to say that people are transmitting Bluetooth signals, and this this whole conspiracy theory was took up, taken up, and put out by Alex Alex Jones and Zmedia and all of that. But I I think Adam Smith was the kind of guy that birthed it. And and, like, I don't know what he's saying is true about COVID, but what I can say is this man has definitely been targeted, okay, by by a corrupt authorities to take him down. Rachel Belinski is one of Rachel Belinski's love interests is Marek Hammer, who is the grand master of Masonic Lodge forty two Los Angeles, and he's connected to all the the descendants of Michael Aquino and, you know, Nicolas Cage's brother, Christopher Coppola, and all of the and, Lila de Marquette, all these high ranking figures in the auto template orienters cult. For those who don't know the OTO, the head of the cult is David Forrest Shriven, PO Box 32 Riverside. And, I I called the Riverside police up on him on 2021, and I had to do a foyer request because they're trying to accuse me of stalking this satanic woman. So I said, no. No. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go after her to help Adam or anything so he doesn't try and they did a dodgy restraining order on them. They got a a a an inmate, Christian Matthew Wright, to call up his ex, who's a third time parole violator armed robber, and he just went on to adult probate probation for framing Adam up with a restraining order and calling up his ex. So the the prop the the Coconuts County's attorney's office is in huge cover up mode, I believe, to protect the victim witness services of Northern Arizona, where the Coconuts County attorney's office put all their staff in to work. In practice, in Arizona, only one county is paying witnesses to testify against people, and that's Coconino County. And, only one county doesn't have the Coconino County's the county's attorney's office doing all the victim's compensation. So what's rational and what makes sense is that, you know, peep they've got these pig fattening scams in Asia where you spill these romance and messages and, you know, people get conned to send over their money. Now in America, you know, people can be framed up by, BDSM porn stars in a BDSM session. And, I'm not a fan of I think BDSM's disgusting, and if they prosecute Adam for attempted murder for BDSM, then I guess we can go after the founder of, queer theory, Gail Rubin, whose diary is a lot worse than what Adam's done, I assure you. But, yeah, this this guy is a COVID researcher who was hit by a satanic, honeypot operation. He was baited into Sedona by a guy called Tyler, Ultimate Light Mission. Mark Z, Sedona Quantum Consciousness, Ultimate Light Mission, paid him to do his COVID research in in his office and is like a workspace area and paid his rent to live with Rachel Balinski, he who he met at Ultimate Light Mission, and Julie k Hudson, the the neighbor that, they got pay got got a victim's compensation for the crime of hearing the neigh her own landlord have rough sex. She's ultimate light mission and an autist as well, and she and her book was censored because Adam told me to investigate her, and all of her social media was taken down. And the, ultimate light mission is so children's health defense Northern Arizona, but Julie Latimer also runs out of ultimate light missions. You got these new age satanists and what the and and and in 2021, they were obsessed with, you know, being anti vaxxers, which I respect because I am the m r I believe mRNA vaccines personally are chemical warfare. I don't know about the nanotech myself. I don't have the expertise in that field to really comment. But, I'm as as an as an anti satanist researcher, I know the difference between satanic panic and the real thing. The head of the auto temporary orientist, David Forrest Shriver, is on camera saying we drink blood and we rape kids. In the country where I came from and have been in exile from for twenty years for my research, Age newspaper, couple jailed for contempt in vilification case. People are being thrown in jail without trial, allegedly, for saying the OTO drinks blood and rapes kids, and the head of the cult is in league training videos admitting to just that. Imagine police coming to your house and saying you have been found guilty in a tribunal in a different state for a law that doesn't exist in New South Wales. You do not have a right to attorney. You do not have a right to go to court. You're going to directly to jail. We, in the police say screw the constitution that says only a court of state may expedite. We are now following orders from a secret tribunal. The Victorian Human Rights Commission, the tribunal who's prosecuting you says you don't deserve human rights because you don't hate hail Satan. Section 25, Victorian section 25 d, Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act, closest Australia has to a bill of rights, says you're entitled to go into court especially when being sentenced in person. You don't have to, you can't be tried in absentia. They did it. This this is the power and the real reason they were targeted is they got the full members list, and even the Internet archive in in, San Francisco has blocked it. The founder of gay rights in America, Harry Hay, hashtag Harry Hay, was OTO, and also North American Manboy Lover Association as exposed by Andrew Breitbart when he was alive on Breitbart News. And the Democrats passed Californian House Bill, SB 48 gay history month bill, lgbthistorymonth.com/harry-hayisnambla.org/hay on man boy pride. When you walk into the library in Los Angeles, the main library, you'll see quotes from the OTO Nambler child sex cult king forced on the children by law in their curriculum. This is this cult is real. It's a real pedophile cult. One one of the videos from David Shriven is called cakes of blood and light and AIDS, and he said we have to cook the blood due to occupational health and safety. Spirit cooking. Hello? Hillary Clinton. Spirit cooking. So, you know, on the left hand side of politics, you've got the OTO. On the right hand side, you've got Khabat Lubavitch and Trump. They're both pedophile cults. I'm I'm I'm bipartisan, anti pedophilia activist on both sides of politics. The log cabin Republicans can get just as screwed as the Democrats. This is an issue that matters for the children. Now the cold COVID thing with Adam is we we his he met his ex. Here's how here's how the vaccination history scandal started. Right? I pretended to be against Adam because I was a skeptic of his of Bluetooth gate and his COVID Bluetooth testing. I talked to Rachel Belinsky and interrogated her about the OTR. We both played each other for information. I put the full video of all those interactions online. The the defense briefing video, I just said bugger it because the defense team was corrupt and ran by a a Jewish intergenerational holocaust victim, Adam Keith Zickerman, a lawyer, who said in court, the case against Samuel Bateman is religious persecution. The FBI said the case against Samuel Bateman was him having sex with his nine year old wife, and the founding fathers who made the US constitution amendments were at war with the Mormons and the polygamists and were not thinking about their first amendment right to have sex with nine year old girls when, you know so, you know, this guy got disciplined for that comment, and then he got successfully nominated to be a judge. So because in Arizona, it is against the law to have conservative or republican judges because all judges must be chosen by azcourts.gov/jnc that says, committees which are 66% leftist, 33% Jill Stein independent, 33%, Democrat, choose the candidates with the most merit like Adam Keith Zickerman, who believe you have the right to have sex with children if you're practicing your religion. So, yeah, this the the whole case of Adam is FUBAR. He's in definite detention, with no right to a speedy trial, declared a complex case against his will behind his back. Just if a satanic porn star who the police hire points the finger at you, you can be locked in jail indefinitely. And this guy is a COVID researcher. He was one of you. That's why I'm thinking you guys might wanna take interest in what Adam was finding. And last night, he was telling me conspiracy theories that I really don't wanna believe about there being a kill switch, something along the plot of, I don't I'm not endorsing this, but he's saying there's other researchers that are saying that, I don't wanna wanna say it. I don't wanna make you panic, but he's saying that it's along the plot of the Kingsman's movie, you know, with the with the vaccine and, and, and nanotechnology. I the first Kingsman movie, I don't wanna say anymore. I I wanna wait for Adam to send me all the messages, and and then I can direct you to the videos from the other researchers. All I can say is this guy has been targeted. I want to believe it's just a domestic violence industry scam that can bring down the Arizona Criminal Justice Commission for making dodgy victims' payments to porn stars as a form of welfare fraud. That's what I wanna believe. That's what we can prove in court, but it may be something more. And, so Adam's ex this is this is where the COVID vaccination history faking came in. I'm telling you the story. So Adam's ex was was in the chat with me saying Adam is a fake anti vaxxer. He was vaccinated in COVID County in in Coconoke County when he was jailed the first time in 2020 before he walked out of jail, contrary to a $100,000, bail order. Allegally, a jailbreak happened so his court case could be reconstituted by a grand jury and all the interviews in the police station destroyed. So she's saying he was vaccinated. I'm going, oh, this is great. Adam swears he isn't vaccinated. So we'll do a records request to get the Department of Health to say the prosecution's, witness is a compulsive liar about the accused. Oh, this is great. So we do the records request expecting it to come back negative, and this guy's got COVID vaccination histories fabricated six months before he even met the woman. And and, so we're now lobbying HHS and the the the the others the the people who are meant to investigate this, acr@azedhs.gov. Ask them to investigate the all the times that COVID vaccination records were entered into their database, vaccinate vaccination incidents, where six months after it actually allegedly to occur. Yeah. There's there's a difference between date of vaccination and date of vaccination entering the Arizona State Immunization Information System. The website for them is asiis.azedhs.gov. When I call them up, they falsely claim them. They're a nongovernment entity, and they don't do records requests, which is very suspect. You think you think the government would want to make sure the COVID vaccination, history database isn't full of medical fraud. The fact they don't want to investigate this is they don't want us to know the names of all the elites. In this case, like, Ultimate Light Mission wanted to keep their new age satanic recruiting operations going during the vaccine during the the lockdown, I mean. So I believe that they solve the problem by finding out how to get, you know, fake COVID vaccination certificates. And, why is the government hiding a list of all the names of all the people who fabricated their COVID vaccination histories? All they have to do is run a query, onto their database of data vaccination and data entry of the vaccination incident into database differing by more than six months, and they'll be able to find all the records fabricated by corrupt CVS officials who have right access into government database that they databases to fake COVID vaccination history. It is the Panama Papers of who went on the in Internet, told everyone else to get the death shot, but didn't take it themselves. And Adam and Adam Smith have has a foyer powers of a god to expose this because when you are being sued for attempted murder, all the all the restrictions to block FOI are knocked out by your sixth amendment constitutional right to a speedy trial. That's why that's why Adam needs your help. I'm not saying if he's innocent or guilty of his BDSM session, but I would love to see him go to court and before a jury and play those videos that were put on YouTube sixteen fifteen, sixteen years ago before generative AI with the head of head of rage hit the porn star who's accusing him's cult saying we drink blood and we do two children not adult stand ins must join the gnostic Catholic mass black magic orgy. Aleister Crowley, one of the cult's most, influential leaders, said children must be exposed to every kind of sexual act from birth, lest their my falsehood fog and some other stuff about soul symbolism. I can't remember the full quote, but if you search my timeline for bernardgainer.com.au, who I don't endorse, you'll see that he's got the quote on his blog when, the head headline article is freedom has taken another hit in Australia. Is there any questions about this or how it's relevant to COVID or not? The Adams Adam Smith can be contacted on gettingout.com. Unfortunately, you have to pay money to the feds and and you've got corrupt police, like, dealing, you know, all over the case. It's a huge cover up. The case is sealed. You can see the court case on a zcourts..gov, criminal record search, Adam Alastair Woodworth Smith, born 05/22/1984. The the the I need people to help me do records requests, who've already pissed off the government. They've got nothing to lose like me, because the the the the the nursing board won't even confirm what their site is saying that Rachel Belinsky didn't have a nursing license, and they she's testifying in court that the BDSM session got carried away with because, she was a vaxxed and he was an anti vaxxer. You understand you understand? And she also testified that when they when they the Heather Mosher, the, the prosecutor did a a document I obtained in the FOIA request, request for police action. They decided that they have to trump up the charges and and redo all the interviews, which I I have the redo interview. I don't have the original interview with Rachel Balinski. I'm under my records request. And she said, oh, the sex was unconsensual because Adam used, and didn't use a condom. Well, Adam sent me her they didn't know that, they Adam sent me his screenshots of her SMS and told me not to stalk not to not to investigate his ex anymore because she he he was psyop to believe that she was having his baby. And I I, I gave I put online on my Twitter account her SMSes, which they're blocking from the subpoena from being done of her saying she wants to she's trying to have Adam's baby. I mean, woman, do you know how to unless your mother Mary, I don't think this woman is because she's a star of the film Jesus, a total douchebag. I don't think she unless she can prove that it was a joke about immaculate conception, she's done perjury, you know. So that the case has gone out of con out of control and the prosecution's in deep shit. And now they've they've shut down the prison commissary for four months. No pens allowed. No paper allowed. Yeah. Okay. Any more question? Oh, I've I've said enough, but you get the idea. So Can you hear me? You've covered, Speaker 2: a whole lot of ground. I feel like you you kind of took us on a tour of the world and back, and I'm not exactly sure what we learned. I think there's some, alleged corruption in Arizona specific to people, and and officials in power mandating the shot while they were also faking their own vaccine certificate. I think that was in there somewhere, and that's kind of No. No. No. No one's been shot, but, some guy some guy has been, Speaker 12: set up in a BDSM honeypot sting operation by Satanists. And just last thing I wanna say is the prime minister of England, okay, former prime minister Sunak, he was he's he's a very rich man, and one of his cup companies is called Thelamine Partners. Thelamine is one dip letter spelling difference from Thelema, which is the OTO, child abuse cult, and they put the seed capital into Moderna. I, I if if there was a dark agenda behind the COVID vaccine to kill, then Satanists are gonna be the prime to other prime suspects, if you know what I mean. Speaker 2: That much, I think we we can agree on. Yep. I would suggest, if you haven't, bring bring your research to the attention of the Sedona Red Rock News, Speaker 12: or the Arizona I have. They they're not covering the story. The the I've I've I've got done FOIA requests to prove the police hired a porn star after she confessed to her classified imagine porn stars, satanic porn stars jabbing people with COVID vaccines without a medical license. This has happened. That's a fact that we can prove. They're not covering the story. I've contacted all of them. I think they're all a bunch of homos. I've been doing this for for, for ten months. I've done a Red Rock News. I've tagged them on Twitter. I've emailed all of them. I've called their I've called their phone numbers. And you know what? Because I'm in Vietnam, I don't fear for my life, and I live in a surveillance penopticon, and I I gave my address at Coconaut County Board of Supervisors. I'm gonna may I give my phone number? But remember, I'm copping heat. So, you know, you use a pay phone or something. My phone number is 928. Recorded space. You probably shouldn't I I I want to do it. I I I write my I I've got I'm screwed anyway, so I'll I'll I'll put it out. (928) 714-7117. I'm willing to take, calls in your morning because I'm in Vietnam, different time zone. Okay? Speaker 2: Wants to reach out. That's Okay. If anyone, wants to reach out or has any questions from for Luke, I think that was a whole lot of information. I'd suggest try to break it down into, you know, the simplest little bits of it because there's so much to it, Speaker 12: when you're reaching out to to me. Yeah. If you're a COVID researcher, I'm not the expert on the COVID research. Adam Smith is. And if you wanna talk to him about his research, you can, put LD player on your computer and use a VPN or whatever or use is a gettingout.com is the prison communication app, and you just choose Adam Smith in the Coconuts County Detention Facility. You can probably if you're a genuine COVID researcher, you could try and, you know, contact him, but he's only allowed out of the cage one hour a day because he quoted the bar the bible, and that's a crime in jail. And, they're block they're refusing to honor any records requests about why he's on lockdown. And I also got his cellmate out of jail without charges, a Native American Indian by the name of Bendrick Fowler, who was forced to drink from a toilet bowl for four days because they disabled their faucet in his jail cell. I heard him screaming and suffering. And, you know, the the the county sends a a Jennifer Yazzie from the Coconut County Attorney's Office as their spokesman for Indian rights, and she shares the address of an Indian torture location. So I prove that there's no separation between the three branches of government in Sedona and, and Cocono County because they just dropped all the charges because they didn't wanna have the torture videos of Native American Indians getting out. Also, admitted under records request is they turned off all the air conditioning in the middle of the in the middle of the jail while the lesbian attorney general Chris Mays was running around trying to sue slum landlords to get votes to say it's a basic human rights of Arizonans to have air conditioning when air conditioning was broken. She but but but but the the Coconuts County Democrats who run Coconuts County love to roast American Indians and port a 200 in the jail and turn the air conditioning off for fun and have the great American Indian roast event. So, you know, I guess if Chris Mays is true to her words, she must think Indians are not residents of Arizona and they're different from another nation. And that is true. And the Navajo Nation people were detainees, and that comes under section 46 or 40 42 of the Geneva Convention for the treatment of inmates to deprivation of water, freshwater. So, you know, I mean, you ISIS prisoners aren't are entitled to water, but American Indians have to drink from the toilet bowl and treat it like dogs. That's what I mean, I exposed that and in, you know, in the board of supervisors meeting, and they just dropped all the charges and let the and let the guy let the guy go, and they're blocking all my records requests. I need some people in America to front all the records requests I've already done to expose this case. And, yeah, as I said, Adam Smith, he called himself the devaccinator who was using electromagnetism. Think of a think of a TENS unit on super steroids, like, to allegedly, try and disable the nanotechnology. That is his belief. I am not an expert on this. I don't vouch for it. All I can say is this man was definitely targeted, whether for welfare fraud or COVID research, I do not know. But Rachel Belinsky was a transhumanist, and her brother is also an OTO kiddie fiddler, Albert Belinsky, and he was executed as a defense contractor, not as a soldier anymore, but the Mujahideen in Iraq. So, you know, American children are are safer because there's one more dead OTO kitty fiddler thanks to the Iraqi resistance. Thank you. Speaker 2: Thank you. That was such a a wealth of information, and, and, I will look into some of that because it is, so so bizarre. And, I appreciate your coming on tonight, Luke. Thanks. Thanks for that. Any anyone have any thoughts on any of that or any questions for Luke? Please go right ahead. I'm ready. Well, raise your hand. Yeah. Raise your hand. No. I don't have any Speaker 3: any questions. Yeah. If anybody else wants to speak or, has a story that we haven't had anybody talk about their stories or anything tonight. Be great to to hear. Speaker 2: Yep. Even if you have told your story on our space before, if you've documented it on, chbmp.org, We would love to hear from you again tonight. I think a lot of people are facing the the holidays and feeling, very alone, and and, that might be Speaker 1: that might be Can can I share something that's fairly unique? Speaker 2: Please. Speaker 1: So I, two days ago, I had a a call with so I I was told to apply for an Alaska license because I'm I'm literally unemployable, which it's funny. I mean, it's fun. Like, when you burn it down where you're it's like, you're so damaged. It you have it's comical. So, and they denied it, obviously. But it's the first time in three years where I was granted the where they gave me the opportunity to challenge it. I was like, Oh, that's magnanimous of them. So I did. And I had a conversation with so it's an admin so it's an adjudicative proceeding with an administrative judge in Alaska. And it's the first time since 10/12/2021 where I was able to talk to anyone, a judge, like, on on the either the opposing side or just a neutral party. And and they, obviously, they denied my, you know, right to to have a license. No, duh, based on the 118 pages that they had from the Washington Medical Commission. But the judge was actually not not on my side, but neutral where because the language was may. So the the attorney for the state was trying to say that based on the language, they can't. Like, the board cannot override the language that they have that if somebody has a a permanent, revocation of their license, it's they're just not eligible. And the judge said, well, the language is questionable. Like, there's interpretation of the language. And she proceeded to do something I've never heard in like I said, I mean, I've I mean, I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours, like, embroiled in legal defenses and stuff. And this judge, without saying anything, she opened it up, and she she goes, well, what did Washington state offer you in terms of defense? And I said, five days. Like, five days of hearing. She's like, well, well, that seems reasonable. So let's let's give you five days to, you know, for you to to share your case. And I I'm sitting on the phone. I'm like, what the literal hell is happening? Speaker 12: Like, it's John. Was a plea offer for practicing medicine out of licensed, holy holopathic medicine as the first case in Arizona. So what you're going through, sir, is very similar to the Adam Smith case, and he refused that plea. He wants to go to trial and bring down the satanists in the whole system. So he's been given he's he could walk out of jail tomorrow, but he fears for his life, and now he's on twenty three hour lockdown. If anything happens to him, it will be the authorities that that kill him. So you you are not alone. Lots of COVID researchers have been targeted by, law enforcement and, Speaker 1: every agency is blocking their, records request in his case. So, yeah, you're not alone. Keep going, Sue, but you're not alone. So it's interesting that you say that because the the first stipulation that the Washington State Medical Commission had for me was for me to do a voluntary inpatient neuropsychiatric evaluation in a facility in Kansas in Kansas State that is directly affiliated with the Washington Medical Commission. And I was like, oh, oh, holy Speaker 12: shit. So I voluntarily tried. Look. Like, same as you, sir. Same as you again. They tried, I think it was a rule nine or rule 12 mental health commitment against Adam, and they lost in court. If you look up the docket dockets on AZ courts for Adam Allister Woodworth Smith. But you can't you can't look up his case or get any of the documents on the PACE system the lawyers use because the case is sealed to protect the porn star who jabs people with COVID vaccinations in a child rape cult that the police paid off, directly and as well as victim's compensation. So, you know, in Australia, I'm a political refugee because the I found the cops have the last say in giving visas to illegal immigrants, and they also provide the protection for the brothel. So you can guess that's what my username is, n the z b nine five one visa. And then this guy in Arizona has got a similar, section with the police having special powers they shouldn't have. And in Australia, the police can commit people without any psychiatric involvement whatsoever. Speaker 1: So Well, that was the that was the problem that we had where my attorneys were, like, under no circumstances. Do you do you, you know, do you know, like like like, under no circumstances do I consent to doing that? Because, I mean, one of my attorneys is like, they're gonna kill you. And I was like, It's possible. So, I mean, obviously, I wasn't like, I was not gonna commit to doing that because they like, none of none of this is about finding truth. But my point in saying it is, this is the first time in in three and a half years that there you know, this adjudicative judge and pre administered hearing actually said words that that moved the case forward where where they're like, well, well, we can we can schedule a five day hearing. And I'm just saying, like, for somebody that's been fighting fighting against the state or, I mean, like, fighting against tyranny and whatever. And she goes, well, for well, just yeah. Right? Like, it's like fighting for for our rights and for, you know, caring for people and and, you know, like, unfucking sorry. I'm so sorry, Gail. Just undoing, like, undoing death. Let let me clutch my pearls. Like Shush. Shush. Bad mouth Gail. I'm just saying, like, I apologize to other people then. Like, fuck off. But but it's it's it's the it's the first time in in in three and a half years where a judge like, forty five minutes that we had this conversation. And I'm like, forty five minutes. Like, I've never been able to talk to anyone in any capacity that was charging or targeting me, and she allowed me to speak. I'm like, what? I was like I remember, like, thinking, like, okay, lord. Like, what the literal heck is happening that she's and she set up. So she's like, we'll we'll set up this schedule. And she's like, would you know, what did the state of Washington do? And I'm like, I had a five day trial. And she's like, well, I think that's that would be, you know, relevant for you to be able to have that same concept. Speaker 12: Adam Smith was arrested in the state of Washington after his phone was stolen, and his own lawyer is best friends with, Grace Investigations Salem Salem, Oregon, who also operates in your state for hunting down fugitives. So he was mugged at Knife Point, had his car stolen, called the cops because he thought he was a free man, and he was, your governor signed off on a on a legal extradition that was done without notice of indictment being given. And so did so did the so did the governor of Arizona. And, mate, bro, you're not your your case, anyone who tries to even put out true or false information about the COVID vaccine being bad is being targeted by the state. This is this is just like nine eleven where, you know, people people, you know, that they that even though if you can't prove you can't prove everything and and a lot of lot of the stuff you can prove, my dad's a member of architects and engineers for nine eleven, and I worked in the stock market when the when the trades went down for the company to do the insider trading. But, you know, you can prove by the cover up that there's something nefarious is going on with the vaccine. And when people get targeted like this, it it really it really they wanna they wanna have people not have vaccine hesitancy, well, the feds are doing a real very good job making everyone have vaccine hesitancy, especially when they don't wanna give the list of all the people who fabricated their COVID vaccine vaccination certificates and then probably put out face false testimonies like I've got my vaccine. I mean, to make other people do it. Speaker 1: I mean, this is I'm well, I'm I'm pretty sure you you don't know who I am, but I agree with you. And hearing your story, and I'm saying parallels, I'm going well. You know? Adam's not the only one. I You need a contact. Adam. I'm I'm laughing because I I I mean, we did we did a you know, I sent a bunch of information to project Veritas that you know, like, we had code names. I mean, we had to set up a separate Proton email, and I was sending audios to project Veritas to you know? And and I'm thinking, what the literal hell am I doing? But I was I was trying to Veritas is a controlled a controlled opposition. I I've heard some things about that. I So so that got that got sent out, and then it went out. So they so the state of Washington found out that it's like they got the they got the audio that I had recorded from, a a discussion I had a doc with a doctor that was, like, literally going to kill a patient. When I say that, I mean literally going to kill a patient. And, so I I I released it. And I'm like, he's he didn't die because we we fixed the situation without them knowing how. But, Speaker 12: a patient? What was gonna happen? They were gonna REM, DISAVERE them, and shut down their No. No. He he had a he had a no vent, and so he was decompensating. Speaker 1: And they said, well, if he doesn't sign off for the ventilator, they're gonna put him on comfort care, which means, you know, put him on medications that will, you know, keep him comfortable as he dies. And I was on the phone with the wife. And, anyway, so, you know, after we got off the phone and she heard the the the literal reality of what was gonna happen that they were gonna kill her husband, I was like, you know, I was you know, Gail Gail knows so many stories. I was like, are you all in? Right? And she's like, I'm all in. I was like, alright. Fuck those fucks. Let's save your husband's life. And she was all in. So we got him out of the hospital. He went home, and I met him. You know? And, like, we're Facebook friends. I mean, it's you know, we were able to save his life, but they don't know how our wife. But only because she was all in. Only because she was all in. Like, I didn't do it. She did. Like, his wife saved his like, all I did was say words. She literally just like just like Yeah. Uncle Barry. Right? Like, she saved his husband she saved her husband's life, and that's I mean, but we're at that point. We're still at that point. Right. I mean, over the last two weeks, the number of phone calls where I've had to have these conversations with with families. And and it's like, you know, it's like, I need you to care more about your spouse's life than I do. Like, set that set that standard up. Like, you need to care more than I do because And I wanna I probably Speaker 3: go ahead. Yeah. No. I was gonna say I wanna break in because I want to I want to I wanna take this back to the COVID related crimes against humanity and the victims because we are getting ready to read the, you know, the victims' names of the like, we do on these spaces. The people who, that have told their stories on chbmp.org on on our betrayal memory project, who've told the stories of protocol death and shot death. So, we're getting ready to read those, just the ones that died that have an anniversary of death or murder date, of today and this coming week, as we Sherry does that. But I I I wanna bring it back to what you're talking about, Scott, and that is what it takes to survive. The re the harsh reality is that this is lot I hear people say back when COVID, you know, back during COVID or, you know, just thinking the the mentality or the thought processes that it's over and it's not over. It's never it's not been over. So they they the same protocols that were used to kill people in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 and 2023 and 2024 are still happening. They're still they're still going on. We're still getting calls. We still the Every day. Every Speaker 1: day. Every day. People are dying or not dying. It it's every day. Speaker 5: And so it's really not I have a conspiracy on I think my own conspiracy theory about co, Speaker 12: COVID and and Gulf War Syndrome being a a beta test if you wanna hear that and see the sources. No. There's amazing Just hold that. Just hold that thought. Okay? I mean, after after you've talked about the victims, I'll I'll go into my own the only COVID research I've done, which is also pretty convincing and what probably more rational than Adam's, but more believable. But, yeah. Thank you. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Give us some time because we, we kind to we kind of like like to It was kind of waving. Gail, can you hear me? Okay. Now I can hear you. Chelsea was trying to speak to to speak, and she wasn't being heard. Speaker 2: Yeah. Since since we did kind of get off the rails, before we do, come back to read the names, I was wondering if you because nobody's really, told your story. I I was wondering if you would be so kind as to give us the highlights of of what happened to you when you were hospitalized, quote, for COVID. Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah. Like, I I'll talk about it a little bit here because, you know, just like many of our victims, you know, we we are kind of acutely aware of the fact that it was this time in 2021 that my family was working very hard to save my life after rescuing me from the hospital. So when and oftentimes, we have the occasional person that comes on this what on this spaces and wants to tell us that, hospitals weren't intentionally killing people or doctors and nurses weren't intentionally doing it. And this is I'm gonna tell you briefly my story, just the brief parts of my story, and why I so adamantly shut them down and tell them they don't know what they're talking about. All the studies in the world, all the papers in the world, all the things that you can read don't amount to squat compared to eyewitness testimony. Eyewitnesses. 1,600,000 people were killed in hospitals, and it's rising. And there there are many eyewitnesses that have come forward. They have the receipts. They have their medical records. They have whatever. There's 72 or 78 survivors now that have told their stories to on our just on our site alone, and we know many others. So, I'm gonna start by saying if you have a story, you need to tell it. You need to go out to chbmp.org. You need to document it, sit down with one of our interviewers who are victims, and and you need to tell the story. So so for me, you know, we were quite aware of what COVID was and and all that. So my, you know, my husband was a biological weapons officer. He understood that it was gain of function from the start just by the way it happened. He was also a a, he was also a a registered nurse in I'm gonna make sure. Can you still hear me? Speaker 12: We can hear you perfectly. Okay. Good. Speaker 3: So he was also a registered nurse in an emergency room in Dallas. Not I mean, a former nurse. Former nurse. So he knew that it didn't act like a virus and the the things that they were doing to people didn't make sense and all that. So we were we were very aware. We had a plan. We'd been involved in politics for, I don't know, almost I mean, me almost a decade, before this. So, you know, we had a plan. We weren't ignorant of what was happening. I I fully believe that we got sick from we had a we had 2020 in 2021 over Thanksgiving, and we had people over. We had quite a few of them quite a few of them had taken the shot. You know, they thought they were doing the right thing. It was a mix of vaxxed and unvaxxed. I I I think we got sick from the shedding for sure because I got sick and then my husband started to get sick. And I I it it wasn't just a cold. I mean, I'm gonna tell you, it I know from having it that it's a bioweapon, that it it was gain of function because it didn't act like anything I had ever seen from a from a breathing perspective. And I started to, you know, we tried to get the ivermectin. We tried to get hydroxychloroquine, all the things, and, we couldn't get anywhere to fill it. And so we had to go through, Stella Emmanuel in Houston and have it shipped to us. And while we were waiting for that medication, I went to a we went to a clinic that gave the monoclonal antibodies. I didn't qualify for them. If you guys remember, this was, like, two months after the Biden administration had taken control of the supply. And so, they were, kinda rationing it. And so so I went home. My husband was monitoring me, and my oxygen got to 77. And he he said we we're gonna have to go to a hospital to get oxygen. So we you need oxygen. And and, yeah, I could hardly walk because I had, like, real I couldn't the oxygen just wasn't the oxygen was an issue. And so we decided to go to the the hospital that was two miles from our house, not because it was two miles from our house, but because, colonel Allen West had just a month before, he had gotten ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, budesonide at this hospital. That he got the frontline doctor protocol. And and we knew this because it was in the papers and because we were connected with, his campaign and stuff like that. And so, so we decided to go there and ask for this protocol. And, it was there were signs of bad care and things like that, but they gave the right protocol. So my husband printed out two copies. When I finally gotten into the, into the, ER, you know, he had written all the things that should alert a nurse that I need oxygen right away. You know, he wrote it real big that my oxygen was 77 and blah blah blah. And he kept monitoring my my stats while we were in the in the emergency room. I sat there for an hour. They finally brought me back, and they said, yeah. We'll we'll do the they told him they would do the protocol. He put put a copy in my bag, and he gave them a copy in the ER. And then, they told me he had to leave because he was sick, which didn't make sense. I mean, we're both but he left. And, he felt like he left me in good hands because they were gonna do this protocol. And I was in the ER for thirty six hours, and they didn't they couldn't open an ICU unit because they didn't have enough patients. They needed five or more patients or else it didn't financially, they weren't gonna open it, so whatever. But the and the only thing they weren't giving me the protocol. The only thing they were giving me was, like, Tylenol for my fever and stuff like that. And so but I looking at the medical records, I was starting to improve a little bit because I had the the oxygen, the supplemental oxygen, and all that. So after thirty six hours, they brought me up to an ICU unit. This was at Medical City Plano here in Texas. So they brought me up to the ICU. I could already see that somebody was on a vent, the lady next to me, because they rolled my bed forward so that they could back it in. And she was on a vent, and there was somebody crying, holding her hand. Obviously, she was passing from this world already, and there was a family member there. So they backed me in. Well, it's funny because they backed me in, and then they were like they were all just standing around. And I was like, do you want me to just roll into the bed? Like, I could do that. And they were like, yeah. Could you? I'm like, okay. So I just, like, dove into the bed, and, it was ridiculous. And then, it was a little while until I met the hospitalist, doctor Gang Quach. And he came in because, I don't know, had to have been about 10:00 in the morning on the second day, and he didn't examine me. Nobody ever examined me, didn't listen to my lungs, nothing. And he by this time, it was on very high oxygen, and they just kept upping the oxygen even though it was a gas exchange issue. Not not an I mean, they just kept that's that was number that was the number one sign my husband knew they were doing something wrong was the way that they increased that oxygen and had me on the high flow and then eventually the BiPAP. He just knew that they were gonna destroy my lungs. But the first time I met gang doctor Gang Quach, he was a travel doctor. I don't even know if he's a doctor for real, but, he said he asked me if I was vaccinated. And I said, I would try to be real polite. I said, no. Work from home. You know, I didn't not enough information out, whatever. And he patted me on the hand, and he said, I'm so sorry, missus Seiler, but you're gonna die. And I was like, you're crazy, doc. I you're fired. Like, I need a new doctor. Like, you know, I didn't come here to die. I'm not gonna die. I called my husband. I said this crazy doctor said I'm gonna die. And, he said I'm gonna die because I'm not vaccinated. Doesn't make any sense. My husband was like, what are you talking about? I just just and he and then the doctor said to my husband well, I knew he was gaslighting me. And if you hear you're gonna die 80,000,000 times a day or whatever, you don't know what you're gonna agree to. So I told him I said, I'm not gonna make any decisions about my care. It all has to go through my husband. My husband will make every single decision at even if it's about an aspirin. And so my husband was like, what are you talking about? Her you know? And he said, the only thing the only way that the only thing that can save her is remdesivir and a vent, and she probably will still die. And he said, well, that's not he was like, that's not gonna happen. He said, take off your he said, take off the mask. He wanted me to take off the the the I think I was on the rebreather at the time. And he said, take take that off because he can't understand you. And I would take it off, and I would talk to him. And he said, no. Her voice is strong. And I'm not gonna give you permission to vent her unless I examine her myself and determine it's needed. And that wasn't gonna happen, and so they weren't gonna let him in. And so, I I told the doctor, I said, I want you gave me a terminal diagnosis. You said I'm gonna die. So I want my priest to be allowed to come in and give me my right. I have a right to my sacraments. I have a right to my to extreme unction, to, you know, last rites in my sacraments. I have a right to have my priest come in. He said no. And I said, I also have the Trump signed the right to try act. I want the right to try ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and budesonide. And he said no. He wouldn't let me do that. And so I wasn't there was I was getting no water. I didn't get water for seven days. I had to trick them at the seven day mark to get water. That that was probably the most painful thing was the no water. The no food for twelve days wasn't as painful as the no water. And so, yeah, so I, so so time my family start my family was advocating. My daughter was advocating for me. My husband was advocating for me. My husband was getting sicker and, trying to get better at home as well. And they were trying to figure out what were they gonna do and how are they gonna advocate for me. My daughter had gotten in touch with, she actually went to a conference. She didn't have a ticket, but she just went to the Clay Clark conference and sounded like a crazy person talking about they're gonna kill her mom, but she was right. Like, I mean, we we you know, they they understood. She She was telling everybody, they're gonna kill my mom. I need help. And doctor Bartlett, doctor Richard Bartlett, doctor and doctor Artis helped her. And, doctor Bartlett, helped my family advocate or try to advocate for at least budesonide, at least to get the budesonide. It took several days for them to get me budesonide. And this is the short version of my story, believe it or not, but it took several days. In the meantime, I'm forced onto a catheter. I I they're I'm not allowed to get up. My legs aren't, you know, really I'm they're upping the oxygen till I was on 60 liters. I it was on a BiPAP, and there's upping the oxygen, upping the oxygen. But at the same time, I knew he signaled that he was gonna kill me, so I would not let them you know, they would come in and they would say, we've got pain medication for you. And I was like, I'm not in pain. Not in pain. And so, I I looked at everything that they put in my IV because I didn't trust them. So I didn't wanna be given anything that I didn't authorize. So doctor Bartlett, helped my husband advocate for budesonide. And it while we were doing that, the doctor came to us and said, I'll let your priest in if you agree to take remdesivir. And so I, you know, I care about my soul more than my body, and I agreed. We agreed. And they gave me one dose. My priest came and gave me my sacraments, and then I said I don't want any more remdesivir. And the doctor was pissed. The doctor was like, well, I let your priest in blah blah blah blah. Said, I should've never had to make that deal ever. Never should've had to make that deal. And so, he even put it in the chart. He was mad. Like like you know? But, and it that remdesivir, I don't care what anybody says. It felt like poison in my heart. I knew it was wrong. It felt like poison in my heart. It felt like felt like when you touch fiberglass, that's what it felt like on the inside. It was tingly. So itchy. So, it's hard to explain, but yeah. And so so after my priest left, I had I had hope. I didn't know how I felt like a miracle was gonna happen. I didn't know how it was gonna happen. And as the days went on, I was just trying to hang on day after day, and the isolation was hard. Being isolated was very hard. I stayed in constant prayer. There, you know, there was a lot of, you know, things that happened that it was that were inherently evil inherently evil. There was definitely a a very presence of evil there. In fact, you know, after my my priest blessed the room as well, and there was actually a male nurse that came in. He had all these satanic tattoos on his arms and stuff, and he he couldn't Oh my god. Stand. I've seen Speaker 12: I've seen satanism pedophiles working in in hospitals giving COVID back. This this woman's testimony is not to be ignored. I'll elaborate with names of the satanist pedophiles who are giving not another one in Australia after she's finished. Just believe what this woman's saying. It's true. Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, he he kinda got sick and left the room, and I, it's the last time I ever I ever saw him. But it was interesting because from that day on, even some of the doctors, they never came past the foot of my bat. They would just stand there and talk. And so every day, they'd come in. Every day, they'd say I was sick or whatever. And, eventually, the the pulmonologist agreed to budesonide, but he said, the the hospital administration or the, pharmacy is gonna kick it back because they have a lot of power. And so, we had to keep fighting for it. I finally got it. They they agreed not they wouldn't agree to give it to me every four hours, but they agreed to give me one milligram every twelve hours or every ten hours, it was. I got two doses, and doctor Quach came in the next day and said, oh, he said, I've never seen this before. You're starting to improve. And I said, great. I thought he was seeing the light. I'm like, great. Imagine what would happen if you gave it to me every four hours like doctor Bartlett wanted. And, I don't know, maybe even gave me ivermectin. I'm not asking for eye of newt. I'm asking for ivermectin. And he said no. He wasn't gonna do it. And then they started messing with my budesonide, changing it out for albuterol, which isn't the same thing. It's not an inhaled steroid. They just started messing with my medications. There was a lot of abuse that went on. There were nurses who literally were very abusive if they knew you were unvaccinated. Speaker 1: And they would Well, and what you know, what Gail's talking about when she's getting better ubiquitously across the board, when when intensivists saw patients getting better Yeah. They would and you know this, Gail, they would undo they would undo the therapies that they were giving. So they were and this is what doesn't make sense. We've talked about this. This is what doesn't make sense because you think, like, they can't all be evil, and they're not. I'm not saying that. But when you're seeing somebody get better and then you see them going, oh, shit. We have to stop it. That's what they did to Gail. Like, she's getting better, and they're like, oh, fuck me. Like, what's happening? She's getting better. Speaker 3: Yeah. Let's stop it. Right? Right? Speaker 1: Yeah. No. It's, like, unconscionable. Like, I mean, if you worked in a gas station and your slushy machine was, like, malfunctioning and you're like, oh, let's do this and it's getting better, you you don't go, that feels weird. Let's undo it. That's what they were doing for people that were in resp like, acute respiratory distress. They saw improvement, and they literally were like, uh-oh. And and and that's hundreds of hours of calling hospitals. Uh-oh. Speaker 12: They get paid extra for death. You know, the whole scandal. Speaker 1: Know. I mean, like, we're yeah. We're all aware. Yeah. Like, that's the thing. Yeah. And it's Keep going, Gail. Keep going. Sorry. Yeah. And if if yeah. And if you incentivize Speaker 3: bad outcomes, you're gonna get bad outcomes all day long because the money's there. And so, yeah. And so so I, yeah, so so so I, you know, I I was in there a total twelve days, and it was just getting worse and worse and worse. And, and then, like, about the seventh day, when I finally, I actually they would bring me, water with laxatives in it, and I hadn't had food or water. And so I'd say, I can't drink that. Like, I'll be dehydrated. And and I would I would ask them. I'd be like, why can't I have water with laxatives in it, but I can't have water with just water in it? Like, how about if we just do water? And, they they were like, no. You can't. And it didn't make sense. Nothing they told my husband made sense, and he kept saying, you know, it doesn't make sense. Nothing makes sense. Nothing made sense to me. And then, Speaker 4: and then I Speaker 3: I accidentally knocked over the water with laxatives in it, and a patient care tech who was her first day on the job, she came in and she said, oh, miss Gail, you you knocked over your your water. Do you want me to get you some fresh water? I said, yeah. Would you and some ice too? And she was like, sure. And she brought me ice and water, and I was, you know, drinking it and using the ice to break up some of the crap that was in my mouth because, like, I didn't have any I didn't have mouth care for seven days. My hair was matted. I lost a lot of my hair. But, it grew back, but I I lost a lot of it. I hadn't been cleaned in seven days at this point. And, I was half the time, I was naked and cold. No robe. No blanket. Treated like they just treat you like you're an animal because they don't expect you to live. And then, a nurse came in and was like, oh, you're nothing but you're nothing by mouth. And, and I said, I don't know who told you that. Clearly, I'm drinking. Right? She goes, oh, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go get you in some Ensure. And, then when she then she came back and she said, oh, the doctor won't let you have it. He said you can't have any more water either, but you can have the ice. So I'd have to, like, get them to bring me ice, eat the ice, or let it melt and drink the water that the ice made. It was crazy. But, but then my, you know, my daughter was trying I was asking them for physical therapy because I could see my legs were turning gray. My the the my, feet and my legs, and I was I was worried. And then, I was, my daughter was asking, you know, asked them to do, some, imaging to make sure I didn't have blood clots. And she asked them to do some other things. She wanted, them to give me, you know, banana bag, which didn't happen until the last day, actually. But she she begged for, vitamins, and they were they said they said they couldn't give me vitamin c because it was, there was a national shortage of vitamin c, and they only reserved the vitamin c for for patients that were critical. And my my daughter was like, you told my mom she was gonna die. Like, that's, you know, pretty critical. So then about the eighth about the eighth day, I think it was, doctor Quach said to my husband, he he said, what do you want me to do when she codes, when she when she has a heart attack? And I was like, I'm I don't feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack. I'm like, I don't like, I'm a full code. We're we've made it very clear that I was a full code. I was not a d I was not a do not resuscitate. I was not a DNR. And so, and so so we would my my husband was, like, very suspicious at that point. You know, more suspicious. He knew we were running out of time because because they were already talking about how they were gonna make me code. And he said, if if she codes, I want you to I want you to resuscitate her. And they said, if we do that, we have to vent her. And he said, no. You don't. You can bag her. You know, you can the little bag that pumps oxygen, he said, you can do that and chest compressions. And I I will and call me, and I will come down, and then I will tell you what I want you to do from there. And he said, I will never he told him he said, I will never give you blanket permission to vent her in a foreseeable event because that event will happen. And so so that that put us on very high alert. And, my daughter and my husband my daughter, especially, was trying to get oxygen, an oxygen concentrator. They were trying to get all the things they needed at home to take care of me. And they they had to be on the lookout for them downstairs at the security because they kept trying to get in. Right? They kept trying to get in to come see me and and bring me things and check on me. And, they they they had me pretty well locked down in a, ICU that you have to buzz buzz in and all that. And so, and and a lot of people say, well, why didn't you leave? Well, I couldn't I couldn't get out by myself. I couldn't, you know, even, you know, stand on my own two feet at this point, and, and they wouldn't let my family in. And so so then I had this very well, at first, I had a very good nurse. He was very good. And, he came in, and, the only thing I I don't remember his name. I just remember he was a very tall African American gentleman. And he said to me, you're I remember he was a Christian, and he said, you're gonna make it. He kept telling me, you're gonna make it. He said, I'm gonna take you off the BiPAP and put you back on the down on the rebreather, and it's gonna be more comfortable. He said, your body's gonna need to adjust. He said, don't listen to the machines. Just listen to your body, what your body's telling you. He said, I'm in fact, he said, I'm gonna turn you on your side so you're away from those machines and you're not looking at them. And he said, I'll check on you every fifteen minutes. And he always told me what he was gonna do. And I I I'm not gonna lie. It was almost 60 liters of oxygen, and I panicked a little bit when I went down on but my body did adjust. He kept his word. He came in every fifteen minutes. And every time he came in, he would talk about how I was gonna make it. I was gonna make it. Speaker 12: I can't hear Gail. Can anybody else hear her? I I think she finished. That was an amazing story. I've had, two close shaves in Vietnam three close shaves in Vietnamese hospitals. One of them, was I I almost think was attempted murder too. I was given an overdose. I've never taken SSRI medication in my life except one time, and it wasn't for what you think. It was anti vomiting medicine when doing radioactive iodine treatments, okay, for thyroid cancer. And I was given four times the normal dose of ondesedone. My heart rate but heart rate went down to about 42 BPM. And, if I didn't fall out of bed and compound fracture all my all my small toes on my left feet except for the big two ones, I probably wouldn't have got the adrenaline to keep my heart going. And then they tried to transfer me to another hospital, and they tried to give me 12 vials of Amazon one point two five, and I had to hold the cord to stop them. And that medicine medication says do not give to, people with circular circulation circulatory depression or it will stop their heart and kill them. So 42 beats per minute wasn't low enough. And, that, you know, this this was an attempted this could have been an attempted hit, but I can't complain it because complain about it because I'm in Vietnam, and it was a military hospital, but I shouldn't have even been in as a foreigner. It was it was a very suspect incident. It happened just after I I found, information on, doctor Gary Lindenthal, the guy who wrote the human shields doctrine for the IDF that says Australian aid workers, women, and children must be killed in Gaza because they're human shields for the political wing of the people who want independence from there as they're promised under the Versailles Treaty in Palestine. And, you know, I could have been it could have been a Mossad, could have been AZO, could have been I don't even know what the hell happened. I I I've had to move on move on from it. But I also been to I haven't taken the COVID vaccine, but I took two of those nasal tests, one of them in hospital, and I tested positive. But I fell down in the shower because, you know, I got I got the whole the late Omicron COVID thing. And, yeah, I my wife they they they were gonna the woman came up in the suit and said, we're gonna take you away to a different hospital. We're not gonna treat you for your your heart issues. And I basically my wife they're gonna lock me up and take me away, and my I got my wife to, you know, come and exfiltrate me from the situation. That was a close shave at the Hanoi Heart Hospital. But, yeah, it it it wasn't fun. But what this woman was saying before about satanic pedophiles working in hospitals, Donald Anthony Gillespie lost his medical license in the court case, QCAT. Look this up. This is a real court case. This is not fake news. This is case law. QCAT twenty twenty one fifty four for giving date rape drugs to a charm a Chiron Reed from Saint Joseph's Nagy. His gay his gay partner, Michael James underscore TV on Twitter, real name Michael O'Brien, recruit, recruited a young boy to take on holiday without his mother to Bali. And the Queensland Police Service alleged there was rapes happened. But then when when the when the court case went to court, the police, for the sake of gay marriage pride in a gay marriage year, withheld the use from date rape drugs from the jury. And, the other thing the judge said, we don't have jurisdiction to prosecute Australians who rape children overseas in the trial. And the Australian Federal Police page has a tip-off page for overseas child sex tourism. We had the laws on the books for, since 1976. So the first gay union in Australia is between a satanic gay nurse who was COVID jabbing people and working in hospitals during the pandemic and a 14 year old boy. These these people are linked to intelligence. They launched the globally recognized mainstream media confirmed fake news story that turned into the global hashtag on Twitter back in the day, I'll ride with you after the Sydney Lin siege terror attack. That's right. The I'll ride with you hashtag, which Obama put out press releases supporting from the White House, and the pedophiles did actually meet Obama when they came when he came looking for the team friendly. Right. Speaker 2: Luke, I appreciate your Yeah. Wealth of knowledge on so many subjects, but we we need to keep it centered on the COVID related crimes against humanity. Oh, yeah. And, we were just gearing up to do the names. We do have, a request from Kara before we go to the names. Kara, how are you tonight? Speaker 11: Hi. Thank you for, having me on the space. I just wanted to, share my personal story and account, of of of COVID and the the scam and what it took from me personally. So, if anybody has, you know, popped onto my bio, I have nothing to hide. I used to be one of those sleeping brainwashed dems that I didn't know any better, and I believed all the lies, and I ate it up. And, COVID woke me up, and it red pilled me and what I experienced. So first of all, I want to in my opinion, I believe that COVID was was around well before, even patient zero in January or at least patient zero in The United States. And, I say that because, my father was, an international salesman, worked for a German company, lived here in The States, and he had, traveled internationally. And, it was October 2019. He traveled internationally to Germany and was on an international flight, did layovers, everywhere. And, a week after that, came down with this nasty and I quote from his doctor, a nasty virus that just had run its course. He never smoked, never drank, was one of the healthiest 63 year olds ever, ran five k's for fun, and he got so, so sick. And even he said the day before he died, the last time I spoke to him, he said, I just have this nasty cough that just will not go away. His doctor sent him home twice. He kept going back to the doctor. They kept sending him home. The day after I spoke to him and he said that, he called 911 himself, and his heart stopped in four minutes. And he had a pulmonary embolism and a blood clot in his lung, and that was that. And, unfortunately, he was, cremated, so we will never know. I have been blacklisted by my family, called crazy by my family, but I I'm convinced that he was one of the first patients of COVID. For something to just hit him like that and then boom, two months later, this COVID comes out. So that's kind of part of my story. Another part of my story is less than a year after that. Less than a year after that, my, seven year old daughter at the time, was quarantined for two weeks for no reason and was given a false positive, only because she was, I put this in, you know, air quotes, exposed to the virus, and we were forced to go and get her tested. She got tested for the virus. She had no symptoms at the time. They told us in person that she tested positive. We were waiting in the waiting room for paper results. I received the paper results, and in all capital letters, those paper results said negative. I went back up to the nurse's station. I said, I'm sorry. Excuse me. I was told she tested positive. This paper says that she's negative. That nurse snatched that paper out of my hands so fast before I could even do or say anything and threw it in the shredder. And she said, oh, that's just a typo. We'll have we'll have we have to have the doctor fix that. I said, excuse me. I'm sorry. If it's a you know, a typo is when you spell is when you spell negative or positive wrong. That is a completely different word. How is that a typo? And she said, oh, well, only the doctor can fix it. Well, she's positive. She's positive. And I said, I'd like to speak to the doctor. And they said, oh, the doctor's busy. They can't speak to you. I was pushed aside into the waiting room. We waited another ten minutes. I was given this positive result, and we were forced to quarantine. And I work in the food service industry in my state. I don't get sick leave. Even during COVID, I did not get paid sick leave. I lost an entire paycheck. We were forced to quarantine for two weeks. She never caught one symptom. She was asymptomatic the whole time, and that's what truly woke me up. She never had COVID, and she became a statistic. Yeah. I I just wanted to share my story about that and that you know? And I believe that is maybe a, you know, a crime against my family, maybe not humanity, but it is true that that this was this was all planned. And with Yeah. It's very it's very much I thank you for letting me share my story, and with that, I yield back. Speaker 3: No. Thank you thank you for for sharing that. And I I hope you'll consider, going out to our it's actually you can go to, betrayalproject.org or chbmp.org. It's in the nest. And, and document your story because that that those are exactly the kind of stories that we're documenting and, you know, document your story with us and and sit down for a interview with one of our interviewers. They're all, eyewitnesses to COVID related crimes against humanity, and somebody, you know, most of them are, you know, widows. Or one of one of our interviewers, her brother was killed by the protocols. And, so I'd I very much appreciate you, telling your story. Speaker 1: Thank you, Daniel. I just wanna say something super quick. I would definitely look that up. There there is there is no such thing as asymptomatic spreader. That it just doesn't exist. Right? I mean, I've I've talked to thousands of patients, and when they when they tell me when their symptoms started, just like for me, and I'm like, okay. Like but those symptoms were ones that you acknowledged as sick, not as, like, fatigue, not as, like, backache or not as, like, actively sick. And and I'm probably one of few people in the country that has tracked thousands of patients and have, like, actually have documented it. Asymptomatic, you cannot spread something that you don't have, like, where you have too few of something to spread. It doesn't exist. It's never existed. It's a word that was made up just like COVID vaccine that isn't a vaccine, and it doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Like, the like, we literally the the the government changed words. So asymptomatic spread doesn't exist. Speaker 11: So that that And that was one of the things that I was told, and it was like I felt like I was I was I was fighting a no losing battle where I was like, what is that? I tried to question it, and they and they were like, nope. Go home. Quarantine for two weeks. You can't work. She can't go to school. Nothing. And it was just like, shut your mouth. Sit down and go home. And it was like it it was ludicrous. Speaker 1: Oh, it is. I had those parents come into my office all the time, and I had and I know you it's like there are people that might hear this like, that's not valid, but I did rapid. So I ordered kits out of this company in New Jersey, but I I vetted it. And because I had done thousands of of NCF of of of tests where they cycle count. So the fact that they have a positive or negative without giving you a quantifiable result where it's just qualitative. Right? It's, like, positive or negative. Never in the history of any any testing or culturing that we've done does it come up positive or negative. It comes up with with with with with a a cycle camp. Like, it comes up. Like, you do a urine culture. It doesn't come up positive or negative. That's freaking useless. It says 100 you know, greater than 100,000 e coli. Right? That's what the culture shows. It's always quantitative for the virus or or bacterium that is that grows in that culture. Speaker 3: And, Scott, I wanna just, like let's just Sorry. Just to put a pin in you know, it's okay. I I just It just answers me when I heard that. It just pisses me off, so I'm done. I I apologize. It's just so I guess great to get to the name. Yeah. I wanna get to the names because it gets late, and then people peep sometimes people try to hang on to hear the names, and we try to we try to do them sometime, between usually, we try to do them before midnight just so people you know? Because some people get tired. You know? I mean, we start at 7PM, so 7PM every Saturday, guys. So 8PM Speaker 2: eastern. 8PM eastern. For those who, who don't know, since we started doing this, whenever we're planning to read the names, I'll post a a tweet saying, in a few moments, we will be reading the names. And then when we actually read the names, I post a response to that tweet, with the full list of anniversaries through the next month. And that is sort of so everyone can have a time stamp of when when the names are read. So if you wanna listen to the recording and just fast forward to the names, you can find that tweet and do that. Just Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah. So do you do you want, Speaker 2: do you want me to give you a couple minutes? And then I posted that a few several minutes ago, and there is a lot of conversation sent. So that's why the the follow-up tweet is is posted as they're being read, and that's when when they're actually read. Okay. Alright. So are we get do we can we and then the next two. Speaker 3: Shall we read them now? Speaker 15: We can read them now if you'd like. Speaker 3: That would be awesome. Thank you, Sherry. You're welcome. Speaker 15: As an explanation, I've sorted these names based on the date. So, it's not exactly in an alphabetical order. It'll follow the days of the week. And we're going to start with the twenty first because our space started on the twenty first. I'm currently on the twenty second because I'm on the East Coast. But so we're gonna go from the twenty first through the December 27 for these folks that were unfortunately added to our database, because they were mistreated and killed. Andrew e was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his mother, Maria e. William Bowles senior was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his wife, Diane Bose. Donald Cline was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his wife, Belinda Cline. Sean Norman was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his wife, Krista Norman. Bruce Matthews was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his wife, Melinda Matthews. Yancey Thompson was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his wife, Zoe Thompson. Matthew Donnarummo Jr. Was killed on 12/21/2021. His story was told by his mother, Mary Lou Donnarummo. Lee Swanson was killed on 12/22/2020. Her story was told by her husband, Scott Swanson. Paul Corston was killed on 12/22/2020. His story was told by his wife, Lynette Corston. Jeffrey Bird was killed on 12/22/2021. His story was told by his wife, Tracy Bird. Teresa Spivey was killed on 12/22/2021. Her story was told by her daughter, Lila Spivey. Nicole Hardison was killed on 12/22/2021. Her story was told by her husband, Joshua Hardison. Peggy Norris was killed on 12/22/2021. Her story was told by her daughter, Wendy Taylor. Luis Ortiz was killed on 12/22/2021. His story was told by his wife, Tina Ortiz. Frederick Dodds was killed on 12/23/2020. His story was told by his wife, Vicky Dodds. James Miller was killed on 12/23/2021. His story was told by his daughter, Mary Ann Douglas. Julia Blake was killed on 12/24/2020. Her story was told by her daughter, Lisa Blake. Sarah Heagle was killed on 12/24/2021. Her story was told by her husband, Dustin Heagle. Robert Brack was killed on 12/24/2021. His story was told by his wife, Jane Brack. Nicola Cockerigi was killed on 12/24/2021. His story was told by his wife, Terry Cockerigi. Janet Dettl was killed on 12/25/2021. Her story was told by her husband, Stephen Dettl. Tom Cunningham was killed on 12/26/2021. His story was told by his daughters, Shannon Hager and Kelly Cunningham. Barbara Roberts was killed on 12/27/2020. Her story was told by her daughter, Julie Roberts. Sharon Kaufman was killed on 12/27/2021. Her story was told by her daughter, Janna Kaufman. Kenneth Michalik was killed on 12/27/2021. His story was told by his wife, Catherine Michalik. The members of the former Feds Group Freedom Foundation and the COVID nineteen Humanity Betrayal Memory Project want to extend our deepest sympathies to all of our families for these horrific crimes. Speaker 4: Thank you, Sherry. Thanks. And I want I Thank you, Sherry. Speaker 3: I wanna remind people too that that is strictly the, that's strictly the people that have submitted their stories. As, you know, as large as that list is, it's, you know, it's it's part of the over thousand stories that were submitted to chbmp.org. There's so many others that we know that are you know, have been afraid to tell their stories or what have you, and many that don't even know that we exist. And one of the things former Feds Freedom Foundation does in addition to the COVID humanity betrayal memory project in terms of telling these stories, giving them a platform to tell these stories is, you know, we have this big mission to, you know, to to stop the the killing, to to stop the protocols, to stop the what's going on and still what went on and what's still going on, but also to hold them accountable. And then we have this and to raise awareness so people can be prepared and not scared, and you need to be prepared. You need to have a strong advocate advocate. You need to know who's in your corner. You need to have the medications. You need to have all that stuff. But, but we also we also are tasked with taking care of the the walking wounded. Right? So we have support calls almost every night of the week. We have some kind of support call going on, and that is to give families the support that they need because not only are they dealing with this incredible grief, but it's disenfranchised grief because people do not believe them or they you know, like you just heard from, I think it was Cara. You know, people don't believe them, and so the they don't really know where to go with their grief. They they find us and and, you know, some some people are are fortunate and some people have family members that believe them and some people don't. But disenfranchised grief can be you know, just compound that grief. And then it's also combined with trauma, with the trauma of having to watch their loved ones, violently murdered. And even in cases like myself. Right? So I didn't get to finish telling you what happened. But, you know, ultimately, my husband stormed the ICU, and we had a police standoff for six hours before he took me home, and he saved me. Him and my daughter saved me. And, and they he he had just said, screw it. They're gonna kill her, and he stormed the ICU like a freaking boss. And so, but that comes with some consequences. You know? And so so you know? But no regrets. So have somebody strong in your corner that's gonna gonna rescue you or, you know, try to fight for you, you know, and, you know, in a lot along with those things. But if you if you want to sign up for our support groups, I think maybe, Chelsea, maybe you could pin it in the nest. You go go on to our website and and join because it is very important that we take care of each other in this incredibly difficult fight. It's I, you know, I watched some of y'all fight through fight and help each other through the tears, and it's it's really a beautiful thing. And I know, Matt, I know you need to say something and then because you probably wanna go to bed too because it's an hour later by you. So go ahead. Speaker 5: Yeah. Me and Sherry both, unfortunately. Y'all y'all can y'all can love us or hate us for being East Coasters. But Yeah. Listen. It never it it it never wanes, whenever I hear Sherry reading in the names, and that's why I wanna stick around as often as I can as long as I can to hear them. Because it never the the the heartbreak when I hear those names and the families, it just never it it just never rains. It it it never get it never gets old. Like, it's heartbreaking every time. But as strange as that may sound, it is very, it it it's it's very, like, all the all the all of all of you should know that you're you're you're not alone and not just not just because, hopefully, you've you have God and you have you have some of those things we talked about earlier when I when I was on earlier. Mhmm. But also because you have each other, you know, you know, the you know, the there's a reason that, that that Christ first commanded us to love God and then to love our neighbors. If because if we don't As ourselves. Ourselves would be and that is because if you if you don't get the if you don't get that first one right, you're not gonna get the next one right. And so Yeah. We have so that's that's really what I wanna leave you guys with. Love God and let so that you can love each other. And the way you love each other among other things is by is by is by laughing with each other, crying with each other, supporting each other, encouraging each other, grieving with each other, all the things that you all do as a community. And that's why that's another one of the reasons I'm really in awe of you and just honored to know you and to partner with you in this fight, to link arms with you, to to come alongside you guys. It's it's been an honor and a blessing to get to know you guys over the past month, and I thank you for all that you've done. And just wanna extend my condolences to to to the families of those who are of those names who were just read. With that said, guys, good night. And and to those of you in the space, not including those of those of you in the signal chat because I'll talk to y'all All the time. More all the time. Whether y'all like it or not, y'all y'all got me in there. Y'all can't kick me out if you tried. But, but, I'll see y'all, I'll see y'all in the signal chat. But for those of you in the space, Merry Christmas. Speaker 11: God bless you, and Merry Christmas. Speaker 4: Yeah. You too. Speaker 9: Thank you. Speaker 2: I think that was the longest list we've we've read yet, and I think that is just so horrendous that they they intentionally murdered so many people at on Christmas. Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. I I think it's gonna get a little bit I think it's gonna be longer. It's gonna continue to be longer for a little bit because, yeah, the mayhem, you know, the mayhem that occurred, most of those dates are probably 2021 and 2022 as well because that that people don't people need to understand something too, like, the chaos that the hospital thrusts the families into. You know, everybody's I everybody has a plan, but you haven't practiced your plan 1,600,000 times. You know, they have. And, you know, they've they they know exactly how to throw the family into chaos, and that starts with the isolation. It's not even so much. It it does it does demotivate, and what they do is they strip hope from the patient. But, also, they plunge that family the families into this darkness where they don't know what's going on. They're communicating with their loved one, and then suddenly they're not because the communication devices have been taken away. We've seen this so many times. And so, and then they're not getting information from they're not getting proper information from the doctors. And then and then they'll there's so much chaos and so much worry and and the family members aren't sleeping and, you know, trying to get information and they're, you know, they have you running in circles for, like, four days or five days, and then they'll call you at 02:00 in the morning. And without any information, they want you to make these, life and death decisions. And so so that that's a that's a real you know, I I hear people or people ask a lot. You know? They they wonder how families who knew what was going on could fall into this. It's it's a very it's a very, you know, difficult thing. I I know people who were afraid to go to the hospital. You know, when I was being saved at home and just to be clear, my husband and my daughter saved me with the very protocol that they said didn't work. And instead, they wanted to try to convince my family that I would never live, that I would need a double lung transplant, that I was going to die, all these horrible things. And it wasn't true because here I am, saved by budesonide, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and vitamins. So they're freaking liars. And so, but I know people who, you know, a fellow, a fellow precinct chair of mine while I was at home being saved, she she was afraid to go to the hospital. They tried to get medications at home. She died in her sleep. People who died at home because they couldn't get the right protocol, they couldn't get ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and budesonide, they died of the protocol. Make no no no bones about it. Because part of that protocol was to not provide anything to people until they couldn't breathe. And that's some bullshit part of the protocol. That that was intentional, very intentional, so that they could get all of the boxes checked. And so so, I wanna give some Dale? Yeah? Speaker 15: I'd like to make some points because I wanna stay on on that subject for a minute. Mhmm. Sure. For everyone, anyone who's sitting here that that's hearing this for the first time while Gail was talking, remember that they were desperate to put her on remdesivir. That was their goal before the vent. And when Gail entered the hospital, she entered the hospital because she was having problems breathing and keeping her oxygen levels up. By the time a patient gets to that point, that means that the virus has stopped replicating and the cytokine storm has begun. The one thing that the hospital was absolutely desperate to get into her and to every one of our loved ones was remdesivir at a minimum, baricitinib if they could do it too because of the 20% add on bonus that was based on the total of the hospital bill for using remdesivir. Why is this an issue? Because remdesivir is classified as an antiviral. It only works while that virus is replicating. They purposely kept the patients out of the hospitals until they couldn't breathe, which meant they were not replicating anymore. If remdesivir was a perfect drug, they waited too long to use it, and they kept us from being able to use the monoclonal antibodies by not informing people or by not allowing the state to have it because the federal administration stopped dispersing it to the Southern Red states. Then they kept her from having proper hydration. Why? Because remdesivir is cleared from the body through the kidneys. If they stopped her kidneys from working, they guaranteed her death by kidney failure. It was a setup. They we were all in a setup at every point. Now one more thing before I let you go. In the nest, there is a link to the commonalities amongst the patients, and attached to that are five short clips, they're about ten minutes each, that show evidence of those commonalities by number, commonality one, commonality two, and so you guys can go look at that. And if you've got somebody that's on the fence that might be willing to listen for just a little bit, maybe you'll be able to get them to to at least start considering this because you have one chance, a very short chance right now, to save people. Because what's about to happen is they're getting ready to start this maybe with bird flu, maybe with something else. We don't know, but we know that something's coming. Otherwise, Peter Hotez would not be looking into his crystal ball and telling us that before the January, they're gonna be in another pandemic. And that's when they'll start ramping it up in the hospitals again. We must be prepared. Speaker 3: And I'll And we are here and we are hearing from people already. So, it's it's happening, guys. Blue. Record Speaker 2: cannot be a human born pandemic. The they're preying on people's fear that it might be Yeah. To inhibit the food supply, and that's what that's about. And we just have to not, you know, not follow in the footsteps of California, not allow them to get the best of us with their propaganda, and not over most importantly, do not be afraid. There's nothing to be afraid of with with h five n. And and they're they're vaccinating the cows for COVID in, Speaker 12: Oregon, according to Adam. He actually went to the abattoirs and actually saw them doing it in his investigation. So, you know That's been reporting Speaker 15: for a while now. I mean, they're reporting it. They're not hiding it. They're reporting it that they're doing it. They're testing the cattle and they're testing all the chickens. And what the chickens said they don't kill off because they've got avian flu, they just burned down the whole commercial event. That's why they're just burning them down. In Fresno, our friend Heidi just posted in a private chat that she's having there's just no eggs in the whole city. She can't find eggs to buy. Really? Speaker 7: Yep. Speaker 3: Wow. I you know, I'm in that stat. I you'd you'd think I would have saw it. Yeah. It's crazy. Like, I, yeah, just crazy. Speaker 11: Crazy, crazy, crazy. Ask the host a question real quick before the space ends? Because, I I know I'm new to the space. I don't mean to interrupt, but, I I was, I and I appreciate you guys sending me the link to your, you know, the Mhmm. The the COVID, humanity, thing that you sent me. Project. Mhmm. And and, I was reading through the application that you guys sent me, and I appreciate it. My only worry, you know, it's not a fear, but it it is a concern, where I I worry because of my personal case with my father, because he was not a an actual statistic of COVID. His his death was not documented as a COVID statistic because he did die before, shortly before, COVID was announced. And, patient zero in America was announced, and, he was cremated. My only worry is that, I I just, I don't know if if I don't even know where to go with this. But I my only worry is, like, would it would it would it matter kind of thing? Like, because, you know, I feel like he would kind of fall through the cracks because he wasn't a confirmed COVID statistic death. Who Yeah. But because of the circumstances when when the circumstances when you get down to the nitty gritty details, which, I mean, I I'm gonna fill out the application regardless, but I don't know if it would, you know, if it would even qualify as a story because he was not a COVID statistic death. But if you look at the circumstances around it, it might be circumstantial. But it's like, if you connect the dots and I, you know, I've connected the dots for years, and it's like it was it was less than two months before COVID was announced, and he was traveling internationally. And he was the epitome of health, and and and he dropped dead in four minutes due to this respiratory virus that nobody knew about. And then boom, six weeks later, COVID. And if and where I I worry that his story will never be actually fully told because of that fact. Mhmm. And I would just like the host and the cohost's, advice and opinions on how to go about that and and where where I can go from there and what what what I can look forward to and what I cannot look forward to. Speaker 3: Yeah. Exactly. So, I just I just followed you. Go ahead and follow back and connect with me. Speaker 11: I'm I'm already following you. Speaker 3: Okay. Speaker 11: I'm grateful. Speaker 3: Okay. And let's DM, and I'll give you my phone number. Let's talk offline and, talk about, like, the details and stuff because and I can explain a little bit more to you at that time, like, what what the project is about and why that we are documenting and and kinda give you an idea of what, what other people, do in those circumstances. Because I I definitely think that you're you you have a story, and, and we we want to get to some of these early stories because I I I I think the story fits. So but let's let's talk offline. I'll I'll I'll DM you my phone number, and we can we can just connect and and talk if that sounds good. Speaker 11: Then Thank you so much. I and I will absolutely be in touch. Thank you so much. I appreciate it because I feel like my my story is one of those that have kind of fallen through the cracks. Yeah. Most of my family, not all, but most of my family are those those hard left liberals where they're just like, oh, that's that's just utter nonsense and let it go, and it's not gonna bring it back. And it's and, like, I I've I've been made to feel I've been made to feel by them absolutely like I'm crazy. And they're just like, oh, you know, you know, just utter nonsense. And I've been I where I I feel like I'm kind of alone in this fight. So I I'm so happy that I found this live because I feel like I've kind of been, like, validated in a sense to where it's like, you're not crazy. You do have a point. So thank you so much for that, and I absolutely with the intention, I will DM you. Speaker 3: Sure. That's I mean, I it it's amazing how many like, like, that's the thing. This is so a it's it's not political at all because well, I mean, we have victims who are democrats, victims who are republicans, but the majority of the victims, they've never thought about politics a day in their life. Right? Like, they they haven't even picked a side. They're just Speaker 11: they're just shouldn't be political. It shouldn't be political at all, but it I mean and it has been made political, and it's just It's crazy. And it's crazy because of this. And it's just like we're, you know, we're I know it's not gonna bring him back, but at the same time, you know, we're he he was the epitome of both. He was the epitome He was the healthiest person that I knew. And for him, like, there and there were I think his story should be told, and it should not just be left at just, oh, well, you know, his heart stopped in four minutes. Oh, well, kinda I feel like that's what it's become. Right. And it's like, no. I feel like he would he he was more than that. He was more than that. And it And Speaker 3: and And it's stealth it's stealth euthanasia. Right? So, like, I so and I I always say this. Like, if if you're if he went to the gas station and got robbed and shot and the people responsible were not brought to justice or the truth was not told, you wouldn't be hearing that from from others. They would be saying, we can't rest until the truth is you know, like like, it would be just be this absolute constant cry for justice. But because it happened in a hospital or a facility or or at the hands of doctors and nurses or medical professionals, it's like everybody's like, you know, it's not gonna bring not gonna bring him back. But, you know, they wouldn't say that if if he if a cry if a crime on the streets, like a shooting had taken him down, they would never say, like, well, don't prosecute that guy. You know, I know the guy robbed him and killed him, but, you know, it's not gonna bring him back. Let's not even have a trial. Like, it it it would be ludicrous. Right? So Absolutely. Absolutely. Speaker 4: And I also wanted to say thank you to Kara for sharing this story about her daughter and the obvious attempt to fraudulently report to her or did actually reported fraudulently that there was a positive when it was in fact a negative. And so I witnessed it I witnessed it with my own eyes, and it was Yeah. Like, that's what red tide me to begin with. My point on this is that if you see it once, you're gonna see it more than once. Sure. And we also know that that, you know, there were instances of people getting getting out of line, never getting tested, and then they get called by the health department saying you tested positive. They got out of the lines, the drive through lines. Okay? They they also had people who tested fruit and sent it in, and they said it was positive. So there was a huge concerted effort for if if nothing else, the money from from pushing the test, but also there's crimes against humanity because people were quarantined. Their their, their livelihoods were taken away. The the children were traumatized by not having a socialization and being in school. So Ma'am, they've done worse for the children than that. All of that is a crime against humanity to perpetrate that upon them. So I just wanted to say, Kara, thank you for providing evidence, very specific evidence that that happened. And the ugly areas, you know, so Huckleberry Huckleberry, Speaker 11: I if when we do when we do, privately chat, if you if you're interested in hearing more about, that story with my daughter, I I am fully feeling I would I am firsthand, I witnessed it with my own eyes where I kind of, you know, I kind of, made a long story short, but there's a lot more to it. And, where and it's, and it I mean, it is in Ohio, but it is a very major pediatric, hospital that is very widely known in the entire state of Ohio. I won't, you know, put it, you know, get into too much detail than that, but it is a very, very big I mean, second to Cleveland Clinic. This is Ma'am, please follow me. I'm exposing high level corruption in the Ohio Board of Pharmacy on some stuff behind the scenes. I would really like to talk to you. Speaker 12: They're suing CVS Pharmacy for killing people, in and not with the COVID vaccine, but due to understaffing and stuff. And I contacted them to give them information about what I talked about before, Adam Smith, and they're acting very, very, very corruptly in the email correspondence with me. So I would love to have an I I I help Ohio native, Speaker 11: take the torch from me on that one. Thank you. I would love to to privately chat with you as well about that. I just don't wanna give away, you know, two I mean, I am in the state of Ohio. I don't wanna put publicly, like, you know, like, a specific, space that I'm in. But but it it is a very, very big pediatric hospital doctors association, that, you know, I'm I'm and it's it's hard to get out of it because it's like where it's almost a monopoly in where I'm at, where it's like you where they have taken over, the, big space of Ohio where it's like, good luck good luck finding a doctor's office, a pediatrician's office outside of this organization. Good luck. So you know? And I Yeah. And and yeah. And that's what red pill me to begin with. As soon as that happens Yeah. I I I hired a board of pharmacy. Speaker 12: Doesn't even care. Every single American, you can go to the CVS website and then to enter enter any American state of birth and phone number. So not sorry. Any American state of birth and name and any random phone number, and if they've been COVID vaccinated at CVS, they will do a HIPAA violation and release their last four digits of the person's number if they've had a COVID vaccination at CVS. So employers and what have you can discriminate because there's all these, deliberate backdoors in websites to say who's vaccinated and who's not, which is not meant to be publicly available information for purposes of of discrimination. And they don't care they don't care about patient records and patient privacy. And that's the other thing with CVS I found, investigating the Adam Smith case because I wanna know if the government or CVS fabricated the records. So I put Adam Smith's name in and two phone numbers not linked to him, came up linked to his account. Yeah. So if you go to cvs.com, schedule a COVID vaccination appointment, they've deliberately broken their website. Yeah. I've I've got me doing that. I've sent to a high robotic pharmacy, and they don't care. But, hopefully, HHS, Office of Human Rights will do will would take the case in order to bring down, the human's health defense by RFK for faking their own all their own vaccine certificates illegally. I know I know I'm working for the enemy, but I also have to work for my mate. And it it's the only way to get justice with the largest stuff he's exposing with the COVID conspiracy theory. But, yeah, I really appreciate that. And also, when it's my turn I would like to talk about Gulf War Syndrome and COVID. And my I just on the break, my own I I tried to reply to my own tweet, and it said, Luke McKee has blocked Luke McKee. And I'm going, what is this? I just shared a video of that on my recent timeline, the level of censorship. If anyone talks about COVID in a negative way, kaboom, you're off social media. And, the only person who didn't have their book censored from Amazon about COVID was RFK. So Okay. Control office here. Speaker 3: Alright. Kara, there's another group that you need to follow other you know, former feds group, Freedom Foundation, but there is a group in Ohio called Ohio Advocates for Medical Freedom. Stephanie Stock, it does a lot of work there with the legislators, and, so, you should follow some of the work that they're doing. I think you'll be interested in it, and some of the victims that we have at Ohio Speaker 11: are I wrote down Ohio advocate for medical freedom. What was the lady's name again? Yeah. It's, Speaker 3: Stephanie Stock, s t o c k, and Crystal Boyles whose sister and brother-in-law were both murdered in a hospital in Ohio. We have many victims in Ohio that have been working very hard to get some very solid medical, freedom legislation passed. You unfortunately, you guys have a really bad speaker of the house. He's, like, bought and paid for, Hoffman. And so, he has blocked a lot of it or stripped a lot of it, but they're making some strides. And so they did at least get some, some no patient left alone bill filed, recently or passed, but they're struggling on on some of the other stuff. And so, but doctor Richard Bartlett, who helps my helped my family save my life, he, has been working with them as well and been very passionate about what's going on in Ohio, and they're really trying to put some pressure on the legislators in Ohio to to take action. And so, definitely. And I'll give I can give you more information on that when we talk too because they've just been a fur they've been a absolute these ladies have been just Tigresses around that. So down. Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Speaker 12: And the video about Ohio Board of Pharmacy suing CVS for killing people is on YouTube channel, a more perfect union, a video entitled, here's why, CVS sucks dot dot dot. Here's why. So this this stuff is real. Yeah. Yeah. They it's about it's about the medical industry killing people for profit. You wouldn't let an airline pilot, you know, be treated like CBS staff are, and, CBS staff are are are making mistakes because of overwork, underpay, all those kind of conditions. And and and more people die in America by a massive number of, medical mistakes and, with drugs than people crash in planes. And and you can just see, like, you know, if the government's meant to preserve human life, what's going on here? You know? There's it shows there's an extreme killing. Speaker 3: So I don't I don't wanna go down I I don't wanna go down another path because we do have to wrap up. We've been on since 7PM. A lot of people need to get to bed. Just gonna say can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you. And I know you gotta I know you gotta go too, but it's, you know, it's 01:15 in the morning for me, and, we've been Speaker 2: get up early for church in the morning. I'm just a bartender Speaker 11: by trade, so this is this is my this is my evening. So I kind of just hopped on here after work, and I was just like, oh, it's over already where I you know? And I totally get it from everybody else, but I'm I'm so glad that I found this chat. And I'm following a lot of you, and I will definitely be following more. And I will keep in touch with those the the host, the cohost, Luke Yep. Miriam. Speaker 3: Those Luke is not a cohost. Speaker 11: Message me. I I am so looking forward to keeping in touch and, and and following through with that. And everyone else, please have a you know, please have a Merry Christmas, and god bless you all. Yeah. You too. So we're here every Saturday night. We start at 7PM central, Speaker 3: and we we usually try to wrap up by by one. We typically don't go over six hours. Five, six hours is is our max. So, but, yeah, we're we are here every Saturday. I have Kara, I have already sent you my my, phone number, and we can connect maybe even tomorrow or Monday. And Speaker 11: later. I I would love to talk to you more in person. So I will definitely I'm off tomorrow. If you're if you're available tomorrow, I will give you an actual phone call because I don't think this should be talked about through text. But I I look forward to it. Thank you. Speaker 3: Yeah. Just just text me ahead of time and be like, hey. This is my number. I'm calling you. So, but, yeah, I'm I'm available until, the I, you know, I go to mass, but it's I go to mass late in the in the day. So, I yeah. So I will so yeah. So Chelsea is Chelsea is the host. I'm the cohost. Miriam is the is another cohost. And then, protocol widow is, also is on our Twitter team. So, you know, make sure you connect with, Speaker 12: all of us. Okay. And next time next time, we'll talk about the the, I'll come back next Saturday to talk about, Gulf War Syndrome and the links to COVID. Yeah. The mainstream news just just little case ten one. The mainstream news, first time they did any articles about vaccine hesitancy in the mainstream news, was telling people who have had Gulf War Syndrome to stay away from the vaccine and there's a lot more gems like that that go on. It's a very interesting, thing. In the first group of people ever damaged by DNA modification, the the genome damage, chromosomal chromosome damage was a common factor amongst all Gulf War patients, and they all go to the one health care provider with the one backing system to monitor their health outcomes made by IBM. So, yeah, it it it is a conspiracy theory. I know that, but it's a very convincing one. Something's up with Gulf War Syndrome potentially being a beta test for bio, weapon release. Speaker 2: Alright. Well just for the record, we have we have three hosts tonight. I'm I'm my name is Chelsea. I am AKA very cosmic. We have our lovely cohost, Gail Seiler, and Miriam who, Gail survived the protocol, and Miriam lost her husband to the protocol. And, and just for the record, that's that's Speaker 3: us. And make sure you follow, Matt Youngblood because he does he does spaces during the week that are pretty good. Speaker 2: I also I pinned, some links to the Nest, our, YouTube rumble, bit shoot, substack, and, and our signal chat. So, Speaker 11: if you wanna continue the conversation, we are always on signal, and we are always talking about all of these things. So please join us there. Real quick. Is this is this live space? Because I know I missed it. You guys were on since seven and walked in. It is recorded. Can I go on the host for the most? Okay. Speaker 3: Yes. You can go yeah. So it's recorded, and we put all of our spaces on our substack, on our CHBMP substack. Speaker 11: Not yet. Okay. Thank you so much. Speaker 3: Yep. Awesome. Alright. Well, I since we won't be talking before Christmas, I want y'all have a as merry of a Christmas as you can, and, we will see you on Saturday. Right? Speaker 2: Next Saturday and every Saturday at 8PM eastern. We look forward to seeing you and hearing more from you then, and, we hope to see you in the meantime on our various other platforms. Of course, we have a big support group every Monday night. So if you haven't signed up for that at chbmp.org or betrayalproject.org, be sure to do that, and we'll we'll see you Monday. Speaker 11: Alright. And I thank you. I I I assume we're still having it. Anybody who's following me, and that will be up for a little bit, if you would like to DM me where I've I've already gotten a couple DMs, I will be up for another hour or so. I am I am on that late night time frame. I I look forward to chatting, but if not, I understand. Speaker 12: I'll be in bed. I stopped paying you on money due to censorship, so I can't DM you unless, there's a follower. I'm sorry to solicit one, but Yeah. I I I keep paying Elon after some things that have happened. So Speaker 11: I wonder what follow I am following you, Luke. I'm not sure where I think I can I think I can DM you? So, hopefully, if I DM you, you can DM me back. Speaker 12: Well, I just double checked again. Maybe there's some lag with the app, you know, and weird things going on. But have you ever seen you trying to reply to your own and it's saying that you can't reply to this post because the person's blocked you? But it's my own post. How did I block myself? And I've never seen that except on my only, tweet about COVID. It's blind I just saw that only in this space, so it blows me away. I put I put the video on my phone of it happening. I I have not personally. I'm still a little new to, Speaker 11: x in itself where I I you know, Twitter just wasn't my thing just because of, you know, all the censorship. I recently joined. I'm only you know, I'm a newborn when it comes to x, and so I'm still I'm still feeling it out. But I I do have when I click on your page, I I do see a message icon. So I'm gonna try and message you Speaker 3: and see how that works out. If not, hopefully, you can tune in next Saturday, and I'll find you. Yeah. That probably will work. And once you have Twitter once you have Twitter x figured out, they'll change something, and you'll have to refigure it out. So, you know, it doesn't matter how like, we've been doing this for a year, and there's still crap that, you know, he needs to fix. So but with that, have a merry Christmas, y'all. I appreciate everybody coming, and we will see you next Saturday. Speaker 2: Bye. Thank you so much, Gail, and thank thank you, Miriam, and thank each and every one of you for all the things you do every day and to raise awareness about all of these things. And I hope you have I hope you manage to have a very merry Christmas and a happy holiday with your families and, and your friends this season. Thank you so much, everyone. Good night. Good night.